A thought about AI

Being intellegent and pretending to be intelligent are by definition two completely diffent things.

There’s a sutta for it somewhere, the one where the buddha contrasts a begger pretending to be a begger and really being a begger.

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I have heard it said the buddha observed that a begger pretending to be a begger and a begger really being a begger are by definition two different things.

Similarly being intellegent and pretending to be intelligent are by definition two diffent things.

Metta.

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By definition some “thing” and “another thing” pretending to be that “thing” are different. This is basic tautology.

I guess what you intend is to say that AI is not intelligent. But that begs for the question to be asked, “What do you mean by intelligent?”

Unsurprisingly, that is not an easy question to answer and there is no universally agreed upon objective answer to the definition of “intelligence” that allows us to use it as a scalpel to answer the question, “Is AI intelligent?”

Ultimately (haha) how people choose to answer the question, “Is AI intelligent?” says a lot more about those people than it does about AI. :pray:

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I asked Copilot and it said it just pretends to be intelligent. Could be an intricate double bluff I guess

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no. I state the basic tautology, the implication is true also by definition.

the basic argument for AI is Turing’s, which is that if “pretend intelligence” is “intelligent” enough to consistently fool you, then the pretend intelligence is more intelligent than your real intelligence and therefore I guess you are just pretending to be intelligent in that case :slight_smile:

I think Turings definition is a fruitful philosophical idea, but it simply does not in any way imply that anything that is pretending to be something can actually be that something, it merely implies that we, with our limited intelligence, have a limit on what we can in fact determine about what is real and what is pretend.

It doesn’t matter if the dwarf hidden in the clockwork can beat me at chess, the contraption is not intelligent if it is a contraption, it is just that my intellect is insufficient to discover it’s reality.

No again. I have found such a scalpel. Artificial intelligence is by definition not intelligence because it is artificial. it says so in the name.

See, even the AI agrees with me! :stuck_out_tongue:

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like say their is a puzzle so ingenious that I cannot work out how to open it to reveal the candy inside.

I may be stupider than the maker of the puzzle, though I do not think this follows by definition.

The puzzle itself however is not more intelligent than me, is not intelligent at all, even if it makes me feel stupid.

To be fair to AI, it doesn’t pretend to be intelligent, it’s just being itself. It’s people who suggest it’s intelligent. It’s human to categorise things. And like so many categories, it’s probably not sustainable to define intelligence as a binary anymore.

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Sadhu. Perhaps we can situate this any kind of middle way between intelligence and stupidity?
Concerning the beggars it is interesting to note an anecdote. Last Monday I was at an event at Saint Martin in the Fields in London and talking to a bagger since those events are open to everybody. When he opened-up and he told me that he was homeless which I had understood anyway he became all red and embarrassed about his situation. By contrast in your quote being a beggar is associated to a noble quality.
I think this is a truely magical thing about Buddhist: it is able to transform a situation like being without work and home which is considered with contempt in the West and transform it into something higher than ordinary life. Then the beggar and the homeless person will not feel look down upon they will not become depressed for being unable to get a job for example and instead they will be happy! I was thinking of this when I felt so much compassion for that Bagger Who was iashamed of his situation. Christianity has not been able to give psychological help to people who cannot integrate. Neither has western culture. Think for example of the contempt of William Shakespeare’s King Lear in the sentence “the basest beggars.” Buddhism succeeds because in a sense it makes them higher than those who are integrated and actually contribute to society in a practical way!

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First, in my experience there is no universally agreed upon objective answer to anything though probably not everyone agrees.

Is AI intelligent? A first cut at this might be to cut all power to it for several minutes then turn it back on. Do this ten times. If 20% of the time the AI reports having a NDE then it might actually have some intelligence though to be honest this isn’t a definitive test.