@Chevita @dharmacorps @Nibbida
I feel some sadness about your reactions to the thread so far - but i am glad if we can talk about it.
It’s not impossible one (or more) of my comments was seen as snarky or worse; i don’t think i crossed any lines into slander (but please, let me know by pm if your opinion differs!)
But i suspect more information on what caused reaction might be helpful for avoiding anger. I speak (of course) only for myself, but maybe it can help.
When I read Ajahn Thanissaro’s essay, I was appalled, frankly shocked, that an issue which I thought was now moot was being revived.
The essay seemed (and still seems) to me to be promotion of schism. There ARE bhikkhuni in our contemporary world; to argue that these ordinations are invalid is to reject not just those individuals, but also the traditions which stepped forward to restore the lineage from where (as I understand it) pre-Theravada bhikkhus and bhikkuhs (edit: bhikkhunis) had seeded it! In effect, this delegitimizes almost all contemporary Buddhism, including much in Thailand (for did not the bhikkhu lineage get reestablished when it was decided that it had become corrupt?) (I am not a historian; but this is what I have read.)
Aside from this… arguing that half of human births are NOT fortunate, can not aspire to or practice the Holy Life which many argue is the best if not the only practice leading to Awakening… is simply horrible. It establishes gender as a caste system, with human women only good in Buddhism for serving monks. And I know this to be wrong, a trap for all humans, likely to reinforce self identification with gender, a harmful idea which easily can lead to other harmful ideas.
I recognize I am not speaking to the technical details in Ajahn Thanissaro’s essay; nor will I; it is simply too awful for me to give it the attention that would require.
Plus. I cannot encourage schism in sangha. Just cannot.
Rereading this, I realize I have said nothing about why women’s ordination matters to me personally. And I don’t think I can, for it is so incredibly sad to me that any Buddhist argue about this issue. It’s more painful than watching America become fascist, because it is more important imo.
May all be happy, peaceful, and ultimately freed from suffering. And if I owe anyone an apology, please, pm me; it would be appreciated.