About Conceit, a series of posts

Conceit (Pali: Mana)

"Bhikkhus, there are these four kinds of persons found existing in the world. What four? The lustful, the hating, the deluded, and the conceited. These are the four kinds of persons found existing in the world . (AN4.66)

An imperfection

Conceit is one of the imperfection that defile the mind, together with: covetousness, greed, ill will, anger, hatred, hostility, revenge, contempt, denigration, domineering attitude, insolence, miserliness, deceitfulness, craftiness, vehemence, envy, avarice, deceit, fraud, negligence, intoxication, obstinacy, presumption, arrogance, vanity. (MN3, MN7, AN4.304-783)

The obstacle of conceit

"Bhikkhus, without having abandoned six things, one is incapable of realizing arahantship. What six? Conceit, an inferiority complex, arrogance, self-overestimation, obstinacy, and self-abasement. Without having abandoned these six things, one is incapable of realizing arahantship. "Bhikkhus, having abandoned six things, one is capable of realizing arahantship. What six? Conceit . . . self-abasement. Having abandoned these six things, one is capable of realizing arahantship. (AN6.72)

Liberation is also breaking through and a complete understanding of conceit:

“He has cut off craving, severed the fetters, and by completely breaking through conceit, he has made an end to suffering. (SN36.5 and many others)
“He has severed craving, flung off the fetters, and with the complete penetration of conceit he has made an end of suffering." (MN2)

"People delight in conceit, take delight in conceit, rejoice in conceit. But when a Tathagata is teaching the Dhamma for the removal of conceit, people wish to listen, and they lend an ear and set their minds on understanding it. This is the second astounding and amazing thing that becomes manifest with the manifestation of a Tathagata, an Arahant, a Perfectly Enlightened One . (AN4.128)

In the coming days some posts to inform about conceit. Info from only the sutta’s. The chapters are:

  • What is conceit?
  • How does conceit arise?
  • How does conceit cease?
  • What does it mean when the mind is without conceit?

Maybe, if you want to comment or discuss, you can make a new topic or wait until all post are posted? I would appreciate it. I hope you feel this series of post is instructive. Probably you know a lot but some repetition is also not bad, right? I do not present this as a teacher. It is fun to share.

First some inspiring sutta’s on the disappearance of conceit.

Wish you all well,

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Inspiring sutta’s on the uprooting of conceit

“This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have heard:
“Abandon
one quality, monks, and I guarantee you non-return. Which one quality?
Abandon conceit as the one quality, and I guarantee you non-return.”
The conceit with which beings go to a bad destination, proud:
from rightly knowing that conceit,
those who see clearly let go.
Letting go, they never come to this world again . (iti6)

"They are not sense pleasures, the world’s pretty things:
Man’s sensuality is the intention of lust.
The pretty things remain as they are in the world
But the wise remove the desire for them.
One should discard anger, cast off conceit,
Transcend all the fetters.
No sufferings torment one who has nothing,
Who does not adhere to name-and-form.
"He abandoned reckoning, did not assume conceit;
He cut off craving here for name-and-form.
Though devas and humans search for him
Here and beyond, in the heavens and all abodes,
They do not find the one whose knots are cut,
The one untroubled, free of longing . (SN1.34)

“They’ve discarded greed and hate,
along with conceit and contempt,
like a mustard seed off the point of a pin:
that’s who I call a brahmin . (Dhp407)

“Blissful is solitude
for one who’s content,
who has heard the Dhamma,
who sees.
Blissful is non-affliction
with regard for the world,
restraint for living beings.
Blissful is dispassion
with regard for the world,
the overcoming of sensuality.
But the subduing of the conceit “I am
That is truly” the ultimate bliss . (Ud2.1)

“This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have heard:
“Monks, one
who has not fully known & fully understood conceit, whose mind has not been
cleansed of it, has not abandoned it, is incapable of putting an end to stress. But one who has fully known & fully understood conceit, whose mind has been cleansed of it, has abandoned it, is capable of putting an end to stress.” People are possessed by conceit bound with conceit delighted with becoming. Not comprehending conceit, they come to further becoming. But those who, letting go of conceit,are, in its destruction, released, conquering the bond of conceit, go beyond all bonds . (Iti8)

“Oh! How happy are the perfected ones!
Craving is not found in them,
the conceit ‘I am’ is cut off,
and the net of delusion is shattered.
They’ve attained imperturbability,
their minds are unclouded,
nothing in the world clings to them,
manifesting divinity, undefiled . (SN22.76)

“People are intent on the idea of
‘I-making’
and attached to the idea of
‘other-making.’
Some don’t realize this,
nor do they see it as an arrow.
But to one who,
having extracted this arrow, sees,
[the thought] ‘I am doing,’ doesn’t occur;
‘Another is doing,’ doesn’t occur.
This human race is possessed by conceit
bound by conceit,
tied down by conceit.
Speaking hurtfully because of their views
they don’t go beyond
the wandering-on . (Ud6.6)

“Not as higher, lower, nor equal
do they refer to themselves.
With birth ended,
the holy life fulfilled
they go about
totally freed from fetters .” (AN6.49)

“He is the Wise One who has cast off delusion,
abandoned the heart’s wilderness, victor in battle;
He knows no anguish, is perfectly even-minded,
mature in virtue, of excellent wisdom;
Beyond all temptations, he is without stain:
The Blessed One is he, and I am his disciple.
Free from perplexity, he abides contented,
spurning worldly gains, a vessel of gladness;
A human being who has done the recluse’s duty,
a man who bears his final body;
He is utterly peerless and utterly spotless:
The Blessed One is he, and I am his disciple.
He is free from doubt and skillful,
the discipliner and excellent leader.
None can surpass his resplendent qualities;
without hesitation, he is the illuminator;
Having severed conceit, he is the hero:
The Blessed One is he, and I am his disciple (MN56)

“There is no taming here for one fond of conceit,
Nor is there sage hood for the unconcentrated:
Though dwelling alone in the forest, heedless,
One cannot cross beyond the realm of Death."
[The Blessed One:]
"Having abandoned conceit, well concentrated,
With lofty mind, everywhere released:
While dwelling alone in the forest, diligent,
One can cross beyond the realm of Death .” (SN1.9)

“Seeking for sense pleasures,
seeking for existence,
seeking for a spiritual life;
the tight grasp “Such is the truth,”
viewpoints [that are] swellings:
for one entirely detached from lust,
liberated by the destruction of craving,
such seeking has been relinquished,
and viewpoints are uprooted.
That peaceful, mindful bhikkhu,
tranquil, undefeated, enlightened
by breaking through conceit,
is called "one who has drawn back . (AN4.38)

"People delight in conceit, take delight in conceit, rejoice in conceit. But when a Tathagata is teaching the Dhamma for the removal of conceit, people wish to listen, and they lend an ear and set their minds on understanding it. This is the second astounding and amazing thing that becomes manifest with the manifestation of a Tathagata, an Arahant, a Perfectly Enlightened One. (AN4.128)

"Bhikkhus, it is through the breaking of seven things that one is a bhikkhu. What seven? Personal-existence view is broken; doubt is broken; wrong grasp of behavior and observances is
broken; lust is broken; hatred is broken; delusion is broken; conceit is broken. It is through the breaking of these seven things that one is a bhikkhu. (AN7.85)

In the next post: What is Conceit?

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I believe that the human condition in general doesn’t allow for conceit.

I think you are talking at cross-purposes here between ideal scenario (the end of the path), where one finally drops all conceit by realizing its futility and until that point where no matter how advanced a practitioner might be, clings to something or the other as self. The quotes are about the whole spectrum of things one clings to.

The Buddha’s words are certainly Supreme and in the end lead to Perfect Enlightenment.

i look forward to reading your following posts. the buddha’s words are always welcome, always appropriate. thank you for sharing.

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Even before that and on a different level, I think the amount of circumstances not under our control make human conceit laughable. And if this is the case in general, how much more so in interpersonal relationships.

What is conceit?

I have not really seen a definition of it in the sutta’s.

Three conceits are mentioned in AN6.106 (also in AN6.76):

-“What three conceits should you give up? Conceit, inferiority complex, and superiority complex (Bodhi translates here arrogance). These are the three conceits you should give up.

Three kinds of conceit are mentioned in DN33 (see also SN45.162):

-“Three forms of conceit: “I am better than
”, “I am equal to
”, "I am worse than
 "

After some time busy with this subject, I feel that conceit often refers to an attitude of pride, haughtiness, arrogance, such as in DN3, DN19, DN25,DN27, DN33, MN3, MN7, MN98, SN1.9, SN7.9, SN7.15, SN8.3, AN4.66, AN4.159, AN6.44, AN6.76, AN9.14. This does not mean to be a complete reference but gives an impression that conceit is often used in the meaning of becoming proud and develop the tendency to elevate oneself and disparage others.

But, a more deeper or basic meaning of conceit in the sutta’s is not haughtiness but any involvement in conceiving a Me, and have a notion ‘I am’. I understand this myself as involvement in a cinematic world. In that stream of images there is also a protagonist. It centers around a conceived me. The most basic conceit is this notion of ‘I am’. Sometimes translated as ego-notion.

‘I am’ is a conceiving and the most basic involvement with conceit

“Bhikkhus, ‘I am’ is an involvement with conceit. ‘I am this’ is an involvement with conceit; ‘I shall be’ is an involvement with conceit; ‘I shall not be’ is an involvement with conceit; 'I shall consist of form’ is an involvement with conceit; ‘I shall be formless’ is an involvement with conceit ; ‘I shall be percipient’ is an involvement with conceit; ‘I shall be non-percipient’ is an involvement with conceit; ‘I shall be neither percipient nor non-percipient’ is an involvement with conceit.
Involvement with conceit is a disease, involvement with conceit is a tumor, involvement with conceit is a dart. Therefore, bhikkhus, you should train yourselves thus: ‘We will dwell with a mind in which conceit has been struck down.’ Thus should you train yourselves ." ’ (SN35.248)

"So subtle, bhikkhus, was the bondage of Vepacitti, but even subtler than that is the bondage of Mara. In conceiving, one is bound by Mara; by not conceiving, one is freed from the Evil 0ne.
"Bhikkhus, ‘I am’ is a conceiving; ‘I am this’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall not be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall consist of form’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be formless’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be percipient’ is a conceiving; 'I shall be non-percipient is a conceiving; 'I shall be neither percipient nor non-percipient is a conceiving. Conceiving is a disease, conceiving is a tumor, conceiving is a dart. Therefore, bhikkhus, you should train yourselves thus: ‘We will dwell with a mind devoid of conceiving.’
"Bhikkhus, ‘I am’ is a perturbation; ‘I am this’ is a perturbation; ‘I shall be’ is a perturbation . ‘I shall be neither percipient or non-percipient’ is a perturbation. Perturbation s a disease , perturbation is a tumor, perturbation is a dart. Therefore, bhikkhus, you should train your-selves thus: ‘We will dwell with an imperturbable mind.’
''Bhikkhus, ‘I am’ is a palpitation; ‘I am this’ is a palpitation; ‘I shall be’ is a palpitation; ‘I shall be neither percipient nor non-percipient’ is a palpitation. Palpitation is a disease, palpitation is a tumor, palpitation is a dart. Therefore, bhikkhus, you should train yourselves thus: ‘We will dwell with a mind devoid of palpitation.’
''Bhikkhus, ‘I am’ is a proliferation; ‘I am this’ is a proliferation; ‘I shall be’ is a proliferation; ‘I shall be neither percipient nor non-percipient’ is a proliferation. Proliferation is a disease, proliferation is a tumor, proliferation is a dart. Therefore, bhikkhus, you should train your-selves thus: 'We will dwell with a mind devoid of proliferation . (SN35.248)

I feel it is interesting that even merely conceiving ‘I am’ and having this notion, is already seen as an involvement with conceit. One does not even have to conceive ‘I am superior’ or have some idea of haughtiness to be involved in conceit. It seems to imply that any self-orientedness is involvement in conceit. ‘I am’ seems to be always a conceiving. An involvement in a conceived me.

Upon the most basic form of conceit ‘I am’, all other more progressed ideas about ourselves (I am this or that, I will be, I should etc) proliferate, as above.

“Formerly, when he was ignorant, he experienced covetousness, desire, and lust; now he has abandoned them, cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, done away with them so that they are no longer subject to future arising.
Formerly, when he was ignorant, he experienced anger, ill will, and hate; now he has abandoned them, cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, done away with them so that they are no longer subject to future arising.
Formerly, when he was ignorant, he experienced ignorance and delusion; now he has abandoned them, cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, done away with them so that they are no longer subject to future arising. Therefore a bhikkhu possessing this peace possesses the supreme foundation of peace. For this, bhikkhu, is the supreme noble peace, namely, the pacification of lust, hate, and delusion.
“So it was with reference to this that it was said: ‘One should not neglect wisdom, should preserve truth, should cultivate relinquishment, and should train for peace.’
“‘The tides of conceiving do not sweep over one who stands upon these foundations, and when the tides of conceiving no longer sweep over him he is called a sage at peace.’ So it was said. And with reference to what was this said?
“Bhikkhu, ‘I am’ is a conceiving; ‘I am this’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall not be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be possessed of form’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be formless’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be non-percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be neither-percipient-nor-non-percipient’ is a conceiving. Conceiving is a disease, conceiving is a tumor, conceiving is a dart. By overcoming all conceivings, bhikkhu, one is called a sage at peace. And the sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die; he is not shaken and does not yearn. For there is nothing present in him by which he might be born. Not being born, how could he age? Not ageing, how could he die? Not dying, how could he be shaken? Not being shaken, why should he yearn?
“So it was with reference to this that it was said: ‘The tides of conceiving do not sweep over one who stands upon these foundations, and when the tides of conceiving no longer sweep over him he is called a sage at peace.’ Bhikkhu, bear in mind this brief exposition of the six elements .”(MN140)

The tides of conceiving i feel is a very nice expression. Indeed, those easily sweep over us, oke over me. In the above texts involvement in conceit also implies lack of peace of mind. I feel that is not difficult to see. Being involved in conceiving is like jumping in a current. I also feel it represents the complex mind. Things start to become complex.

The distortion of the threefold conceit

“Soáč‡a, there are ascetics and brahmins who—based on form, which is impermanent, suffering, and perishable—regard themselves thus: ‘I’m better’, or ‘I’m equal’, or ‘I’m worse’. What is that but a failure to see truly? Based on feeling 
 perception 
 choices 
 consciousness, which is impermanent, suffering, and perishable, they regard themselves thus: ‘I’m better’, or ‘I’m equal’, or ‘I’m worse’. What is that but a failure to see truly? (SN22.49)

All such ideas rely on clinging:

“But without clinging to what is impermanent, suffering, and subject to change, could the thought occur: ‘I am superior’ or “I am equal’ or ‘I am inferior’?"
"No, venerable sir .”

In the next post some more info on: What is Conceit?

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Asmī’ti, bhikkhu, maññitametaáč MN140

Thinking ‘I am’ one is, feels, deems to be proud about that.

definition maññi

New Concise Pali English Dictionary

  1. imagined; deemed

Digital Pāិi Dictionary

  1. aor. became proud (because of); became conceited (on account of); thought highly of oneself (because of) [√man + ya + i]
  2. aor. thought; imagined; presumed; supposed [√man + ya + i]

Thinking that MN140 states that ‘I am’ is conceiving and thus making an irrational claim ‘I am not’ is truth - wouldn’t that be delusion?

What is the scope of conceit ‘I am’ according to suttas?
According to MN122 the scope of conceit ‘I am’ are the five grasping aggregates.

MN122:

As they do so, they give up the conceit ‘I am’ regarding the five grasping aggregates. In that case, they understand: ‘I have given up the conceit “I am” regarding the five grasping aggregates.’ In this way they are aware of the situation.

What is Conceit?, follow-up

Conceit is one of the 5 higher fetters

The higher fetters are the more subtle fetters. All fetters cause suffering, burden the mind, and must be abandoned.

"Bhikkhus, there are these five higher fetters. What five? Lust for form, lust for the formless, conceit, restlessness, ignorance. These are the five higher fetters. The Noble Eightfold Path is to be developed for direct knowledge of these five higher fetters, for the full understanding of them, for their utter destruction, for their abandoning. (SN45.180, SN46.180, SN46.184, SN48.124, DN33)

The destruction of the five 5 higher fetters is refered to as the stage of arahant.

As fetter I believe conceit refers to any form of self-centredness. An ‘I am’ conceit still lingering. Any involvement in a conceived me, involvement in a cinematic reality in which there functions an impression of ‘I am’ as some protagonist in a story.

Conceit is one of 7 anusaya’s

“Mendicants, there are these seven underlying tendencies. What seven? The underlying tendencies of sensual desire, repulsion, views, doubt, conceit, desire to be reborn, and ignorance. These are the seven underlying tendencies. The noble eightfold path should be developed for the direct knowledge, complete understanding, finishing, and giving up of these seven underlying tendencies.” (DN33, SN45.175)

As anusaya I believe the same applies as for conceit as fetter (see above).

The difference between sakkaya ditthi’s and the conceit ‘I am’

I think that especially SN22.89 is a sutta that explains the difference between sakkaya ditthi’s and the conceit ‘I am’ (asmi mana).

Someone without the tendency to regard one of the khandhas as self or as a possession of self, or as self in the khandhas or khandha’s in self, is not free from the perception ‘I am this’ or ‘This I am’. Ofcourse then there is also the basic conceit ‘I am’.

When self views like ‘I am this’ or ‘this i am’ are abandoned and do not function anymore in the mind (sakkaya ditthi’s are gone), the khandhas all together still give rise to the scent of ‘I am’.
This is compared to the scent of a flower which cannot specifically be traced back to the parts, the petals or the stalk or the pistil but:

“It would be right to say that the scent belongs to the flower.”

So, the sutta seems to use this simile to suggest that the scent of ‘I am’ in the same way cannot be traced back to the individual khandha’s. But all together they still give rise to the scent ‘I am’ in the mind after ‘I am this’ is allready gone.

No ‘I am this’

“These five grasping aggregates have been taught by the Buddha, that is: the grasping aggregates of form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness. I do not regard anything among these five grasping aggregates as self or as belonging to self, yet I am not a perfected one, with defilements ended. For when it comes to the five grasping aggregates I’m not rid of the conceit ‘I am’. But I don’t regard anything as ‘I am this’.”

Still ‘I am’

“
Although a noble disciple has given up the five lower fetters, they still have a lingering residue of the conceit ‘I am’, the desire ‘I am’, and the underlying tendency ‘I am’ which has not been eradicated. (SN22.89)

The scent ‘I am’ remains lingering for long as the smell of soap after washing cloths. But also this residual conceit ‘I am’ can cease and of this is said:


"dispelling the conceit ‘I am’ is truly the ultimate happiness.” (Ud2.1)

I have made a seperate chapter on what the sutta’s reveal as the Path to end this basic conceit ‘I am’, see coming posts.

Is there no distinction between people?

If the idea of being superior, inferior, equal is mere involvement in conceit does this mean that the sutta’s teach there are no distinctions between people? No, the sutta’s also really distinguish inferior and superior people. Inferior are considered those who are like hedonist and follow a wrong path. Superior people are considered those connected to the noble path. (SN35.246, SN45.25)

I see such not as definite teachings on the nature of the mind. Such distinctions have a function within Dhamma but, i believe, do not mean that people really have some superior or inferior nature, like one is made of lead and the other of gold. Such i do not believe.

The banner lowered, not cast up on high ground

"And how is a bhikkhu a noble one with banner lowered, with burden dropped, detached? Here, a bhikkhu has abandoned the conceit ‘I am’, cut it off at the root, made it like a palm stump, obliterated it so that it is no more subject to future arising. It is in this way that a bhikkhu is a noble one with banner lowered, with burden dropped, detached . ( AN5.71, MN22)

“’Getting cast up on high ground’: this is a designation for the conceit 'I am .’ (SN35.241)

Skillfully making use of conceit

I believe it can be said that the Buddha made skillfully use of defilements, realizing that we cannot abandon them all just at once, certainly not the most subtle. Also conceit. Although a defilement and something that in the end must be abandoned, conceit can be used in a conducive way on the Path.

"When it was said: 'This body has originated from conceit, in dependence on conceit, conceit is to be abandoned. With reference to what was this said? Here, sister, a bhikkhu hears: 'The bhikkhu named so-and-so, with the destruction of the taints, has realized for himself with direct knowledge, in this very life, the taintless liberation of mind, liberation by wisdom, and having entered upon it, he dwells in it.’ He thinks: ‘That venerable one, with the destruction of the taints, has realized for himself with direct knowledge, in this very life, the taintless liberation of mind, liberation by wisdom, and having entered upon it, he dwells in it. Why, so can I!’ Some time later, in dependence upon conceit, he abandons conceit. When it was said: 'This body has originated from conceit; in dependence on conceit, conceit is to be abandoned/ it was because of this that this was said . (AN4.159)

In the next post: How conceit arises.

That sutta too shows that the conceit is to be given up with respect to the five grasping aggregates. I hope people understand this and do not extend the scope to attempt to give up ‘I am’ even outside of the scope of the five grasping aggregates. Or if people hold such view, we could have some discussion about this.

How does conceit arise?

Conceit arises through measuring

Lust, hatred and delusion are seen as maker of measurement (MN43). If there is conceiving of a me, a self, ‘I am’ one can measure oneself to others in terms of being superior, inferior and equal. Like positioning oneself. But also more developed ideas about oneself are involvement in conceit.

I see in myself such measuring happens a lot and easily.

Elevating oneself and dispraising others

An example in the sutta’s is one who practices self-mortification or some austerity. H/she feels proud and looks down upon others. But we can also imagine other situations in which we elevate ourselves and disparage others and are involved in conceit.

“Take the case, Nigrodha, of a self-mortifier who practices a certain austerity. As a result, he is pleased and satisfied at having attained his end. And this is a fault in that self-mortifier.
Or else in so doing he elevates himself and disparages others. And this is a fault in that self-mortifier. Or else he has become intoxicated with conceit, infatuated and therefore careless ” (DN25)

Also knowledge and vision can intoxicate:

“On account of it (knowledge and vision) he lauds himself and disparages others thus: ‘I live knowing and seeing, but these other bhikkhus live unknowing and unseeing.’ He becomes intoxicated with that knowledge and vision, grows negligent, falls into negligence, and being negligent, he lives in suffering . (MN29)

I feel, conceit easily takes root, and hard to abandon.

Sakkaya ditthi’s as cause

“It’s when someone thinks: ‘In the future, may I be of such form, such feeling, such perception, such choices, and such consciousness!’ That’s how there can be different kinds of desire and greed for the five grasping aggregates .” (MN109)

Such ideas and desires rely upon sakkaya ditthi’s, As in below:

“Mendicants, whatever ascetics and brahmins regard various kinds of things as self, all regard the five grasping aggregates, or one of them. What five? It’s when an unlearned ordinary person has not seen the noble ones, and is neither skilled nor trained in the teaching of the noble ones. They’ve not seen true persons, and are neither skilled nor trained in the teaching of the true persons. They regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form. They regard feeling 
 perception 
 choices 
 consciousness as self, self as having consciousness, consciousness in self, or self in consciousness.
So they’re not rid of this way of regarding things and the conceit ‘I am’. As long as they’re not rid of the conceit ‘I am’, the five faculties are conceived—the eye, ear, nose, tongue, and body. The mind, ideas, and the element of ignorance are all present. Struck by feelings born of contact with ignorance, an unlearned ordinary person thinks ‘I am’, ‘I am this’, ‘I will be’, ‘I will not be’, ‘I will have form’, ‘I will be formless’, ‘I will be percipient’, ‘I will not be percipient’, ‘I will be neither percipient nor non-percipient’.
The five faculties stay right where they are. But a learned noble disciple gives up ignorance about them and gives rise to knowledge. With the fading away of ignorance and the arising of knowledge, they don’t think ‘I am’, ‘I am this’, ‘I will be’, ‘I will not be’, ‘I will have form’, ‘I will be formless’, ‘I will be percipient’, ‘I will be non-percipient’, ‘I will be neither percipient nor non-percipient’ .” (SN22.47)

Grasping the khandhas

“ Ananda said this: “Reverends, the venerable named Puáč‡áč‡a son of Mantāáč‡Ä« was very helpful to me when I was just ordained. He gave me this advice: ‘Reverend Ānanda, the notion ‘I am’ occurs because of grasping, not by not grasping. Grasping what? The notion ‘I am’ occurs because of grasping form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness, not by not grasping.

Suppose there was a woman or man who was young, youthful, and fond of adornments, and they check their own reflection in a clean bright mirror or a clear bowl of water. They’d look because of grasping, not by not grasping. In the same way, the notion ‘I am’ occurs because of grasping form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness, not by not grasping . (SN22.83)

This kind of contact with the khandha’s is also called ignorance-contact (SN22.47).

Only when clinging is totally abandoned the spell of conceit is broken. When sakkaya ditthi is absent there is no notion of ‘This I am’ in regard to one of the khandha’s. But the khandha’s together still have the scent of ‘I am’ (SN22.89). But also this can en, see next chapter.

In the next post: What leads to the cessation of conceit?

What leads to the cessation of conceit?

Noble Eightfold Path

“Bhikkhus, there are these three discriminations. What three? The discrimination ‘I am superior,’ the discrimination ‘I am equal,’ the discrimination ‘I am inferior.’ These are the three discriminations. The Noble Eightfold Path is to be developed for direct knowledge of these three discriminations, for the full understanding of them, for their utter destruction, for their abandoning.
“What Noble Eightfold Path? Here, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu develops right view 
 right concentration, which is based upon seclusion, dispassion, and cessation, maturing in release. This Noble Eightfold Path is to be developed for the direct knowledge of these three discriminations 
 for their abandoning .” (SN45.162)

“Friends, the evil herein is greed and it is hate. There is a Middle Way for the abandoning of greed and hate, giving vision, giving knowledge, that leads to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbāna.
“And what is that Middle Way? It is just this Noble Eightfold Path, that is to say, right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration. This is the Middle Way giving vision, giving knowledge, that leads to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbāna.

–“Friends, the evil herein is anger and it is revenge

–“Friends, the evil herein is contempt and it is domineering

–“Friends, the evil herein is envy and it is avarice

–“Friends, the evil herein is deceit and it is fraud

–“Friends, the evil herein is obduracy and it is presumption

–“Friends, the evil herein is conceit and it is pride (haughtiness)

–“Friends, the evil herein is vainity and it is negligence. There is a Middle Way for the abandoning of vanity and negligence
 that leads to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbāna .” (MN3)

The perception of impermanence

"Rahula, develop meditation on the perception of impermanence; for when you develop meditation on the perception of impermanence, the conceit ‘I am’ will be abandoned. (MN62)

"Ananda, there are these five aggregates affected by clinging, in regard to which a bhikkhu should abide contemplating rise and fall thus: ‘Such is material form, such its arising, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its arising, such its disappearance; such is perception, such its arising, such its disappearance; such are formations, such their arising, such their disappearance; such is consciousness, such its arising, such its disappearance.’
When he abides contemplating rise and fall in these five aggregates affected by clinging, the conceit ‘I am’ based on these five aggregates affected by clinging is abandoned in him. When that is so, that bhikkhu understands: ‘The conceit ‘I am’ based on these five aggregates affected by clinging is abandoned in me.’ In that way he has full awareness of that . (MN122)

“And furthermore, when the monk is established in these five qualities, there are four additional qualities he should develop: He should develop [contemplation of] the unattractive so as to abandon passion. He should develop good will so as to abandon ill will. He should develop mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off thinking. He should develop the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, ‘I am.’ For a monk perceiving inconstancy, the perception of not-self is made steady. One perceiving not-self attains the uprooting of the conceit, ‘I am’—Nibbana right in the here-&-now . (Ud4.1, AN9.1, AN9.4)

“Mendicants, when the perception of impermanence is developed and cultivated it eliminates all desire for sensual pleasures, for rebirth in the realm of luminous form, and for rebirth in a future life. It eliminates all ignorance and eradicates all conceit ‘I am’.
In the autumn, a farmer ploughing with a large plough shears through all the root networks. In the same way, when the perception of impermanence is developed 
 it eradicates all conceit ‘I am’.
[cut some examples of how this perception is superior]

”After the rainy season the sky is clear and cloudless. And when the sun rises, it dispels all the darkness from the sky as it shines and glows and radiates. In the same way, when the perception of impermanence is developed and cultivated it eliminates all desire for sensual pleasures, for rebirth in the realm of luminous form, and for rebirth in a future life. It eliminates all ignorance and eradicates all conceit ‘I am’.
And how is the perception of impermanence developed and cultivated so that 
 it eradicates all conceit ‘I am’? ‘Such is form, such is the origin of form, such is the ending of form. Such is feeling 
 Such is perception 
 Such are choices 
 Such is consciousness, such is the origin of consciousness, such is the ending of consciousness.’
That’s how the perception of impermanence is developed and cultivated so that it eliminates all desire for sensual pleasures, for rebirth in the realm of luminous form, and for rebirth in a future life. That’s how it eliminates all ignorance and eradicates all conceit ‘I am’ .” (SN22.102)

”After some time they meditate observing rise and fall in the five grasping aggregates. ‘Such is form, such is the origin of form, such is the ending of form. Such is feeling 
 Such is perception 
 Such are choices 
 Such is consciousness, such is the origin of consciousness, such is the ending of consciousness.’ As they do so, that lingering residue ‘I am’ is eradicated.” (SN22.89)

Not me, not mine, not my self

“Venerable sir, how does one know, how does one see, so that in regard to this body with its consciousness and all external signs, there is no I-making, mine-making, and underlying tendency to conceit?" "Bhikkhu, any kind of material form whatever, whether past or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or superior, far or near - one sees all material form as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: "This is not mine, this I am not, this is not my self.’ Any kind of feeling whatever
 .Any kind of perception whatever
Any kind of formations whatever
Any kind of consciousness whatever
 .one sees all consciousness as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: "This is not mine, this I am not, this is not my self.’ It is when one knows and sees thus that in regard to this body with its consciousness and all external signs there is no I-making, mine-making, or underlying tendency to conceit .” (MN109, SN18.21, SN22.71, SN22.91)

The result of this will be
” the mind is rid of I-making, mine-making, and conceit, has transcended discrimination, and is peaceful and well liberated" (SN18.22 SN22.72. SN22.92

The perception of not-self in suffering

“When the perception of not-self in suffering is developed and cultivated it’s very fruitful and beneficial. It culminates in freedom from death and ends in freedom from death.’ That’s what I said, but why did I say it? When a mendicant often meditates with a mind reinforced with the perception of not-self in suffering, their mind is rid of I-making, mine-making, and conceit for this conscious body and all external stimuli. It has gone beyond discrimination, and is peaceful and well freed.
If a mendicant often meditates with a mind reinforced with the perception of not-self in suffering, but their mind is not rid of I-making, mine-making, and conceit for this conscious body and all external stimuli; nor has it gone beyond discrimination, and is not peaceful or well freed, they should know: ‘My perception of not-self in suffering is undeveloped. I don’t have any distinction higher than before. I haven’t attained a fruit of development.’ In this way they are aware of the situation.
But if a mendicant often meditates with a mind reinforced with the perception of not-self in suffering, and their mind is rid of I-making, mine-making, and conceit for this conscious body and all external stimuli; and it has gone beyond discrimination, and is peaceful and well freed, they should know: ‘My perception of not-self in suffering is well developed. I have realized a distinction higher than before. I have attained a fruit of development.’ In this way they are aware of the situation. ‘When the perception of not-self in suffering is developed and cultivated it’s very fruitful and beneficial. It culminates in freedom from death and ends in freedom from death.’ That’s what I said, and this is why I said it . (AN7.49)

“At Savatthi. Then the Venerable Rahula approached the Blessed One, paid homage to him, sat down to one side, and said to him: “Venerable sir, how should one know, how should one see so that, in regard to this body with consciousness and in regard to all external signs, I-making, mine-making, and the underlying tendency to conceit no longer occur within?”
"Any kind of form whatsoever, Rahula, whether past, future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or superior, far or near–one sees all form as it really is with correct wisdom thus: ‘This is not mine, this I am not, this is not my self.’ "Any kind of feeling whatsoever
. Any kind of perception whatsoever
 Any kind of volitional formations whatsoever
Any kind of consciousness whatsoever, whether past, future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or superior, far or near-one sees all consciousness as it really is with correct wisdom thus: ‘This is not mine, this I am not, this is not my self.’ "When one knows and sees thus, Rahula, then in regard to this body with consciousness and in regard to all external signs, I making, mine-making, and the underlying tendency to conceit no longer occur within ." (SN18.21) (SN18.22, SN22.71, SN22.72, SN22.82, SN22.91)

No delight, not welcoming and hold on to perceptions and notions

“Bhikkhus, as to the source through which perceptions and notions tinged by mental proliferation beset a man: if nothing is found there to delight in, welcome and hold to, this is the end of the underlying tendency to lust, of the underlying tendency to aversion, of the underlying tendency to views, of the underlying tendency to doubt, of the underlying tendency to conceit, of the underlying tendency to desire for being, of the underlying tendency to ignorance; this is the end of resorting to rods and weapons, of quarrels, brawls, disputes, recrimination, malice, and false speech; here these evil unwholesome states cease without remainder.” (MN18)

Mindfulness directed to the body

"Bhikkhus, when one thing is developed and cultivated, (586) ignorance is abandoned
(587) true knowledge arises
(588) the conceit ‘I am’ is abandoned
 (589) the underlying tendencies are uprooted
 (590) The fetters are abandoned. What is that one thing? Mindfulness directed to the body. When this one thing is developed and cultivated, ignorance is abandoned
true knowledge arises
the conceit "I am’ is abandoned
the underlying tendencies are uprooted
 the fetters are abandoned. (AN1.586-590)

"Again, Bhante, suppose a bhikkhu were to see a corpse thrown aside in a charnel ground, one, two or three days dead, bloated, livid, and festering. He compares his own body with it thus: 'This body, too, is Of the same nature; it will be like that; it is not beyond that. Or suppose he were to see a corpse thrown aside in a charnel ground, being devoured by crows, hawks, vultures, dogs, jackals, or various kinds of living beings. He compares his own body with it thus: 'This body, too, is of the same nature; it will be like that; it is not beyond that. Or suppose he were to see a corpse thrown aside in a charnel ground, a skeleton With flesh and blood, held together with sinews
a fleshless skeleton smeared with blood, held together .with sinews
 a skeleton without flesh and blood, held together with sinew s disconnected bones scattered in all directions: here a handbone, there a footbone, here a shinbone, there a thighbone, here a hipbone, there a backbone, and there the skull. He compares his own body with it thus: 'This body, too, is of the same nature; it will be like that; it is not beyond that. Or suppose he were to see a corpse thrown aside in a charnel ground. bones bleached white, the color of shells . . . bones heaped up, more than a year old . . . bones rotted, crumbled to dust. He compares his own body with it thus: 'This body, too, is of the same nature; it will be like that; it is not beyond that. This subject of recollection, developed and cultivated in this way, leads to the uprooting of the conceit 'I am ’ (AN6.29)

Meditation on the Signless

“Develop meditation on the signless,
And discard the tendency to conceit.
Then, by breaking through conceit,
You will be one who fares at peace. (SN8.4)

No sakkaya ditthi’s

“Mendicants, whatever ascetics and brahmins regard various kinds of things as self, all regard the five grasping aggregates, or one of them. What five? It’s when an unlearned ordinary person has not seen the noble ones, and is neither skilled nor trained in the teaching of the noble ones. They’ve not seen true persons, and are neither skilled nor trained in the teaching of the true persons.
They regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form. They regard feeling 
 perception 
 choices 
 consciousness as self, self as having consciousness, consciousness in self, or self in consciousness.
So they’re not rid of this way of regarding things and the conceit ‘I am’. As long as they’re not rid of the conceit ‘I am’, the five faculties are conceived—the eye, ear, nose, tongue, and body. The mind, ideas, and the element of ignorance are all present. Struck by feelings born of contact with ignorance, an unlearned ordinary person thinks ‘I am’, ‘I am this’, ‘I will be’, ‘I will not be’, ‘I will have form’, ‘I will be formless’, ‘I will be percipient’, ‘I will not be percipient’, ‘I will be neither percipient nor non-percipient’.
The five faculties stay right where they are. But a learned noble disciple gives up ignorance about them and gives rise to knowledge. With the fading away of ignorance and the arising of knowledge, they don’t think ‘I am’, ‘I am this’, ‘I will be’, ‘I will not be’, ‘I will have form’, ‘I will be formless’, ‘I will be percipient’, ‘I will be non-percipient’, ‘I will be neither percipient nor non-percipient ’.” (SN22.47)

In the next post: What does it mean to be without conceit?

What does it mean when there is no conceit?

No conceit to be superior, inferior and equal

“Sir, a mendicant who is perfected—with defilements ended, who has completed the spiritual journey, done what had to be done, laid down the burden, achieved their own true goal, utterly ended the fetter of continued existence, and is rightly freed through enlightenment—does not think: ‘There is someone better than me, or equal to me, or worse than me.’”

Buddha approved and said in verse:

“They don’t represent themselves as being among superiors, inferiors, or equals. Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed. They live freed from fetters.” (AN6.49)

Only a conventional use of I and me remains with the nobles

“No knots exist for one with conceit abandoned;
For him all knots of conceit are consumed.
Though the wise one has transcended the conceived,
He still might say, ‘I speak,’
He might say too, ‘They speak to me.’
Skillful, knowing the world’s parlance,
He uses such terms as mere expressions .” (SN1.25)

No alteration is seen, a sage is at peace

“At Savatthi. There the Venerable Sariputta addressed the bhikkhus thus: “Friends, bhikkhus!” “Friend!” those bhikkhus replied. The Venerable Sariputta said this:
“Here, friends, when I was alone in seclusion, a reflection arose in my mind thus: ‘Is there anything in the world through the change and alteration of which sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure, and despair might arise in me?’ Then it occurred to me: 'There is nothing in the world through the change and alteration of which sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure, and despair might arise in me.”’
When this was said, the Venerable Ananda said to the Venerable Sariputta: “Friend Sariputta, even if the Teacher himself were to undergo change and alteration, wouldn’t sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure, and despair arise in you?”
"Friend, even if the Teacher himself were to undergo change and alteration, still sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure, and despair would not arise in me. However, it would occur to me: 'The Teacher, so influential, so powerful and mighty, has passed away. If the Blessed One had lived for a long time, that would have been for the welfare and happiness of the multitude, out of compassion for the world, for the good, welfare, and happiness of devas and humans."’
"It must be because I-making, mine-making, and the underlying tendency to conceit have been thoroughly uprooted in the Venerable Sariputta for a long time that even if the Teacher himself were to undergo change and alteration, still sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure, and despair would not arise in him ." (SN21.2)

“Formerly, when he was ignorant, he experienced covetousness, desire, and lust; now he has abandoned them, cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, done away with them so that they are no longer subject to future arising.
Formerly, when he was ignorant, he experienced anger, ill will, and hate; now he has abandoned them, cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, done away with them so that they are no longer subject to future arising.
Formerly, when he was ignorant, he experienced ignorance and delusion; now he has abandoned them, cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, done away with them so that they are no longer subject to future arising. Therefore a bhikkhu possessing this peace possesses the supreme foundation of peace. For this, bhikkhu, is the supreme noble peace, namely, the pacification of lust, hate, and delusion.
“So it was with reference to this that it was said: ‘One should not neglect wisdom, should preserve truth, should cultivate relinquishment, and should train for peace.’
“‘The tides of conceiving do not sweep over one who stands upon these foundations, and when the tides of conceiving no longer sweep over him he is called a sage at peace.’ So it was said. And with reference to what was this said?
“Bhikkhu, ‘I am’ is a conceiving; ‘I am this’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall not be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be possessed of form’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be formless’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be non-percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be neither-percipient-nor-non-percipient’ is a conceiving. Conceiving is a disease, conceiving is a tumor, conceiving is a dart. By overcoming all conceivings, bhikkhu, one is called a sage at peace. And the sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die; he is not shaken and does not yearn. For there is nothing present in him by which he might be born. Not being born, how could he age? Not ageing, how could he die? Not dying, how could he be shaken? Not being shaken, why should he yearn?
“So it was with reference to this that it was said: ‘The tides of conceiving do not sweep over one who stands upon these foundations, and when the tides of conceiving no longer sweep over him he is called a sage at peace.’ Bhikkhu, bear in mind this brief exposition of the six elements .”(MN140)

“On one occasion the Venerable Sāriputta and the Venerable Upasena were dwelling at Rajagaha in the Cool Grove, in the Snake’s Hood Grotto. Now on that occasion a viper had fallen on the Venerable Upasena’s body. Then the Venerable Upasena addressed the bhikkhus thus: “Come, friends, lift this body of mine on to the bed and carry it outside before it is scattered right here like a handful of chaff.”
When this was said, the Venerable Sāriputta said to the Venerable Upasena: “We do not see any alteration in the Venerable Upasena’s body nor any change in his faculties; yet the Venerable Upasena says: ‘Come, friends, lift this body of mine on to the bed and carry it outside before it is scattered right here like a handful of chaff.’”
“Friend Sāriputta, for one who thinks, ‘I am the eye’ or ‘The eye is mine’; ‘I am the ear’ or ‘The ear is mine’ 
 ‘I am the mind’ or ‘The mind is mine,’ there might be alteration of the body or a change of the faculties. But, friend Sāriputta, it does not occur to me, ‘I am the eye’ or ‘The eye is mine’; ‘I am the ear’ or ‘The ear is mine’ 
 ‘I am the mind’ or ‘The mind is mine,’ so why should there be any alteration in my body or any change in my faculties?”
“It must be because I-making, mine-making, and the underlying tendency to conceit have been thoroughly uprooted in the Venerable Upasena for a long time that it does not occur to him, ‘I am the eye’ or ‘The eye is mine’; ‘I am the ear’ or ‘The ear is mine’ 
 ‘I am the mind’ or ‘The mind is mine.’”
Then those bhikkhus lifted the Venerable Upasena’s body on to the bed and carried it outside. Then the Venerable Upasena’s body was scattered right there just like a handful of chaff. (SN35.69)

"Then, a bhikkhu might say: I have discarded [the notion] ‘I am’, and I do not regard [anything as] ‘This I am’, yet the dart of doubt and bewilderment still obsesses my mind.’ He**should be told: 'Not so! Do not speak thus. Do not misrepresent the Blessed One; for it is not good to misrepresent the Blessed One. The Blessed One would certainly not speak in such a way. It is impossible and inconceivable, friend, that when [the notion] ‘I am” has been discarded, and one does not regard [anything as] ‘This I am’ the dart of doubt and bewilderment could still obsess one’s mind. There is no such possibility. For this, friend, is the escape from the dart of doubt and bewilderment, namely, the uprooting of the conceit ‘I am’ (AN6.13, DN33)

Not even a sense of ‘I entering or emerging jhana and cessation’

“Then, in the evening, the Venerable Sariputta emerged from seclusion and went to Jeta’s Grove, Anathapindika’s Park. The Venerable Ananda saw the Venerable Sariputta coming in the distance and said to him: “Friend Sariputta, your faculties are serene, your facial complexion is pure and bright. In what dwelling has the Venerable Sariputta spent the day?”
"Here, friend, secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unwholesome states, I entered and dwelt in the first jhana, which is accompanied by thought and examination, with rapture and happiness born of seclusion. Yet, friend, it did not occur to me, ‘I am attaining the first jhana,’ or ‘I have attained the first jhana,’ or ‘I have emerged from the first jhana."’
"It must be because I-making, mine-making, and the underlying tendency to conceit have been thoroughly uprooted in the Venerable Sariputta for a long time that such thoughts did not
occur to him ." (SN28.1-9)

All jhana’s and even cessation are entered and emerged without a notion ‘I am entering it and I am emerging from it’.

This completes the series of posts on conceit.

I believe involvement in conceiving is the main reason why we are not at ease, peaceful, in a state of non-discriminating awareness. Involvement in conceiving is blinding, deluding the mind.

I think to see so many trouble, stress, affliction, is related to this involvement in conceiving. ‘I am’, I am this’ and endless follow-up thoughts and ideas that center around ‘I’ constant burden the mind. A constant story telling is happening. A plot and someone who believes the plot. Thoughts and someone who believes the thoughs. Images and someone who believes them.

And sometimes it all is left behind, no plot, not story telling, but mere being present in the world in a peaceful and open way.

It is amazing, i feel, how conceiving and conceit rule. Like we live in a cinematic mental world with a me as the protagonist.

Buddha saw conceiving as disease. I am allready glad i realise that conceiving is secundairy. For me, reality more and more feels like that what is not part of conceiving. Not that mental stream of mano-vinnana’s. I really believe it is true that this is the great magician. It leads us into a cinemantic world we believe to be reality. It is so easliy to become absorbed by these mental projections of the mind.

Sometimes i must laugh about what is going on in my mind. All this crazyness of conceiving.
This makes me also feel that a real problem is to take it all to seriously, to give it so much weight and importance. But such is often not appreciated by people.

This world will only feed conceit and conceiving. But i also feel this is true:

Thanks you, hope you enjoyed the series of post and found it a bit instructive. Nothing new probably.
I am going to pause for some time.

wish you all well,

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