Alternative to non-dairy creamer/3-in-1/soymilk/cow's milk, in line with Bhesajjakkhandhaka

I had been seeking how to avoid the modern substitutions for allowables given in The chapter on medicines Bhesajjakkhandhaka kd6 and found this recipe: whip one spoonful of ghee and one spoonful of coconut oil together with a strong cup of tea or coffee. Add sugar or honey to taste. They get emulsified by the mechanical blending or whipping. It comes out looking creamy like a latte. Good when caffeine energy is needed in the afternoon or pre-dawn hours; and when milk is not offered in the morning! Apparently the non-dairy creamer and 3-in-1 is actually made with hydrogenated oil, with the milk product protein caseinate only added as an emulsifier not for it’s food value, so those products could be allowable, but they are unhealthy compared to simple ghee-oil. I can’t persuade myself that soymilk = bean broth. I know this is not much about the EBT, but still making me smile.

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Ayya, I have been able to persuade myself of this. It was ultimately my love for soymilk that convinced me :innocent:

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This sounds a lot like the fad from about 10 years ago for ‘bulletproof coffee’. (apparently still a thing but more commercialised)

Australian’s generally don’t do creamer, and I’m an espresso drinker so I might pass on putting ghee in my coffee and just mix it with honey and eat it with a spoon.

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yes, it = bulletproof coffee. This would be the alternative to taking a spoonful of oil or ghee as treatment for hunger, if one doesn’t take cheese or soymilk.

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I tried this with matcha last night. Maybe I don’t have the technology to get a good whip, but it just tasted like buttery tea, which I guess is a thing!

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I don’t want to be that guy, but yeah, soy milk is definitely not “bean broth”. The broth is the water the beans are cooked in. Soy milk is the juice that’s squeezed out of the beans.

It comes under the allowance, “I allow all kinds of fruit juice, except fruit juice made of dhañña”. We know dhañña from lists like MN 10:

a bag with openings at both ends, filled with various kinds of grains, such as fine rice, wheat, mung beans, peas, sesame, and ordinary rice

So dhañña includes both pulses and grains. That means juice from it is explicitly disallowed in the Vinaya, and considerations of the “four great standards” don’t apply.

Personally, I’m not getting on anyone’s back about what they have as afternoon allowables. But purely as a legal question, soy milk isn’t allowable.

Bulletproof coffee sounds good tho!

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Thanks for pointing out dhañña, Bhante. Indeed, soy milk is either cooked, no pulp, soybean juice, or what they sell as “whole” soy milk is entire soy bean, finely milled and cooked into an emulsified liquid. Here is another funny excuse I have heard: that bhikkhunīs should follow the patimokkha rules as the bhikkhus do.

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I find that sweetened condensed coconut milk has a similar effect on coffee/tea as creamer. Would coconut milk count as fruit juice? :thinking:

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