Anicca: Impermanence or "not-one's-owness"?

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@suci1

O really ? - Which conversation ?

Could you give us a link ?

Translation of a mirror analogy for clinging/grasping (upādāna) in SN 22.83 and SA 261

In SN 22.83 and SA 261 there is a nice analogy on upādāna. I’ve included the preceding paragraph to the analogy in both the Pali and Chinese version for context. In SN 22.83, we have: “It is by clinging, Ānanda, that the notion ‘I am’ occurs, not without clinging. And by clinging to what does ‘I am’ occur, not without clinging? It is by clinging to form that ‘I am’ occurs, not without clinging. It is by clinging to feeling … to perception … to volitional formations … to consciousness that ‘I …

The conversation has been in a few places though. I mean the conversation about upāda vs utpāda and how these are confused, or not confused, in some Chinese sources.