Buddhism and Existentialism

Hi, I’m a full time devoted monk in this journey.

I’ve been studying about many angles about Buddhism. It was clear to me that the EBTs are the best source to find out the true depth. While at it, I found out about Ven. Nanavira Thero, Bundala, Sri Lanka. The venerable sir passed away long time ago, but his book “The Notes on Dhamma” is a great. In that he discuss about existential crisis faced by wise people. Also, some people have made philosophical investigations with those. People like Edmund Husserl, Martin Heidegger, etc.

What I found interesting is, these ways of investigating the existence. The phenomenology approach is really amazing way of thinking. In normal ways of interacting with the world we usually take things as they are and we believe them to be real in every way possible. We do not have any doubts about how things comes to be because we never question how things pop out into our senses. But in these kind of thinking, we take full curiosity mode and question each assumptions we’ve made based on what we have sensed in life’s experiences. It’s truly amazing to realize that every single experience is some form of formation. That’s a practical way of explaining how the experience is anicca. This anicca is not equals to lord Buddha’s deep explanations but do have a great depth.

I’m kind of bad in English so I’m not sure if I said this correctly. Please do point my errors if possible and let’s have a chat about existentialism and Buddhism.

Kind Regards,
Ven. DR.

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Welcome to the forum!

If you click the magnifying glass icon at the top :magnifying_glass_tilted_left: you can search the forum for past threads that may interest you.

For example I found this old thread which may be of interest:

Best wishes and again, welcome!

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It hasn’t any valuable depth, since either one see impermanence or not. If not, and the greatest phenomenological philosopher doesn’t understand Dhamma, it cannot be helpful with any meaningful way, unless associated with doctrine or anatta, (not to be found in Heidegger and others).

OK, it was helpful for Ven Nanavira, but he said:

It may also not be a disadvantage to have a fairly wide knowledge of various philosophies when one is in the position of having to understand the Suttas when no trustworthy (i.e. non-puthujjana) living teacher is available. If one has to find out for oneself what the Texts mean, such a background may—at least for certain people—be a help rather than a hindrance. And, finally, the development of a lucid understanding of these philosophies—of their virtues and their limitations—may become a real pleasure to the mind. (In my present state of health I myself, for example, get most of my pleasure from the smooth working—such as it is—of my intelligence when contemplating the inter-relationships of the various views that come my way. I confess that I should prefer to spend my time practising concentration (samādhi), but I can’t do it; and so, faute de mieux,[3] I enjoy the consolations of philosophy.)

But now his writings are available, and indeed his discussion of Heidegger is very useful, like for example here:

And when shall we ‘not be that by which’? This, Heidegger is not able to tell us. But the Buddha tells us: it is when, for us, in the seen there shall be just the seen, and so with the heard, the sensed, and the cognized. And when in the seen is there just the seen? When the seen is no longer seen as ‘mine’ (etam mama) or as ‘I’ (eso’ham asmi) or as ‘my self’ (eso me attā): in brief, when there is no longer, in connexion with the senses, the conceit ‘I am’, by which ‘I am a conceiver of the world’.

But it doesn’t look that reading about phenomenological approach was helpful for other monks.

Let’s take the simplest example:

Venerable Teachers from HH in all seriousness teach us that sotapanna doesn’t suffer. And they arrived at such absurd precisely by ignoring existential considerations, merely follow logical reasoning.

Now, logic and verbal descriptions are subordinate to existence, not the other way round.

Logic:

1Sutta says that unlike puthujjana ariya savaka remains unmoved when contacted by painful bodily feeling

  1. sotapanna is ariya savaka

  2. Therefore sotapanna cannot be moved mentally by painful bodily feeling, merely sounds logical

In existential approach the proper syllogism is:

1Sutta says that unlike puthujjana ariya savaka remains unmoved when contacted by painful bodily feeling

2 Sotapanna is free merely from three lower fetters, not from desire and ill will (which includes aversion towards bodily pain.

3 Therefore in this particular Sutta definition of ariya savaka excludes lower sekha for sure ( how non-returner would behave interrogated by skillful Chinese torture master? I don’t know.)

But existentialism cannot be reduced to phenomenology. There are writers who very skilfully describe “dark sides” of existence, and such descriptions indeed can be useful in development of nibbida.

But apart friend Pulga from other forum and of course Ven Nanavira, I haven’t seen anyone who became wiser by reading Heidegger. And I wonder whether it would be simpler first to understand Dhamma and with such knowledge try to understand Heidegger.:relieved_face:

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How can I get started on this path? I read all of Sartre, as far as I could tell, back in high school when there wasn’t much after schooling except the library, but when I went to college and majored in Humanities, I was pretty consumed with Fredrick Nietzche. I’ve heard of Hussel and Heidegger, though. Have you read anyone named Jacques Derrida? I had this this one teacher who went on and on about Derrida, but he wasn’t in the core syllabus (I think that was the point) and I just totally missed it, whatever it was.

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The best way is to start reading Nanavira’s letters, you will get proper amount of existential and phenomenal philosophy without wasting time on reading entire books. If after reading and reading them plus of course Notes on Dhamma you will develop likeness for some particular philosopher, you can start to read his books. Still I would rather recommend continuously read and reread Suttas. Unless you have entire 24 hours to your disposition.

Regarding Derrida I heard he was compared to Meister Eckhart by some zealous enthusiast, but it is a serious overvaluation. At best he can serve as negative example, as a victim of self-deception. As such it is indeed valuable example, since the self - which according to some Buddhists doesn’t exist - seriously distorts reality in many ways. In the case of Derrida he skillfully deconstructs everything… apart his own identity.

Here short summary of this mental acrobatic, form scientific work originally published by Praeger:

Despite the dangers of circumcision as a two-edged sword, Derrida (1994, 68) concludes that “there must be circumcision,” a conclusion that Caputo (1997, 252) interprets as an assertion of an irreducible and undeniable human demand “for a differentiating mark, for a mark of difference.” Derrida thus subscribes to the inevitability (innateness?) of group demarcations, but, amazingly and apologetically, he manages to conceptualize circumcision not as a sign of tribal exclusivism, but as “the cut that opens the space for the incoming of the toutautre” (Caputo 1994, 250)—a remarkable move because, as we have seen, Derrida seems quite aware that circumcision results in separatism, the erection of ingroup-outgroup barriers, and the possibility of between-group conflict and even extermination. But in Derrida’s gloss, “spiritually we are all Jews, all called and chosen to welcome the other” (Caputo 1994, 262), so that Judaism turns out to be a universalist ideology where marks of separatism are interpreted as openness to the other. In Derrida’s view, “if circumcision is Jewish it is only in the sense that all poets are Jews… Everyone ought to have a circumcised heart; this ought to form a universal religion” (Caputo 1994, 262). Similarly in a discussion of James Joyce, Derrida contrasts Joyce and Hegel (as prototypical Western thinkers) who “close the circle of the same” with “Abrahamic [i.e., Jewish] circumcision, which cuts the cord of the same in order to be open to the other, circumcision as saying yes… to the other” (Caputo 1997, 257). Thus in the end, Derrida develops yet another in the age-old conceptualizations of Judaism as a morally superior group while ideologies of sameness and universality that might underlie ideologies of social homogeneity and group consciousness among European gentiles are deconstructed and rendered as morally inferior.

There is / was relatively unknown Romanian philosopher, Dragomir

Some quotes

Logically, the sentence ‘I know that I do not know’ seems nonsensical. Either I know or I do not know. If what I know is that I do not know, then the object of what I know is that I do not know; but ‘I do not know’ cannot be an object of knowledge—it is just a negation. What can be the meaning of ‘I know that I do not know’?

Has anyone ever thought about this? Of course, everyone knows: Socrates did, 2380 years ago. And apparently it even cost him his life.

In the Apology, the opposition is not between knowing something and not knowing anything, but between those who think they know and the one who knows he does not know. (We must beware here of the modern way of thinking through ‘consciousness’. It is not just that the former are not conscious that they do not know while Socrates is conscious; in fact the horizon is a much broader one.) Thus each interlocutor comes with something: those under examination come with their knowledge, and Socrates comes with ‘I know that I do not know.’ But what does ‘I know that I do not know’ mean?

α) The Object of ‘I Do Not Know’ Ignorance usually has an object. I do not know Chinese philosophy, I do not know the capital of Somalia, I do not know the year Petru Cercel died. Ignorance is thus objectified. However it is not determined only by its object, but also by what I know.

For what I do not know is a multitude of things in a multitude of areas; the things I do not know seem to me like those regions marked hic sunt leones on the old maps of Africa. Ignorance is not, then, the absence of knowledge, but just the field of not knowing that is opened and determined by any knowing. In other words, in ‘I know what I do not know’, ‘I do not know’ appears within an ‘I know’; thus, the division of ‘I know—I do not know’ is an exhaustive division within a broader sense of ‘I know’, which determines its own specific ‘I know’ and ‘I do not know’. Knowledge and ignorance thus seem to be enclosed within the horizon of a broader understand-ing of knowledge.

Any ‘I know’ implies an object that is known; we always know something.

However ‘I know’ also implies a horizon to be known, which, within the limits of knowability, we call the ‘world’; this horizon determines the known (the object that is known) as part of a whole. Any knowledge is thus inscribed within the world conceived as knowable; in other words the object known is inscribed as a part within a knowable world. However the whole is different from the part: the knowable is not an object known, but a possibility of knowing. So the world is what I know I do not know, but can know.

What, then, does ‘I do not know’ refer to when Socrates says: ‘I know that I do not know’? Is it something in particular? Or all the things I do not know? (Which would not be possible, since I do not even know what they are.) No. Socrates’ ‘I do not know’ refers to the world, i.e. to all that I do not know, but can know. In the famous sentence ‘I know that I do not know’, the ‘I know’ has an object, ‘I do not know’, which in turn has as its object the world.

‘I do not know’ is not a logical conclusion to an analysis of known things, but a way of situating oneself in something all-embracing, which is the only way of opening up the possibility of such an analysis. This fundamental ‘I do not know’ opens up the horizon of knowledge, precisely because, in its privative character, it makes possible an authentic ‘I know’. Confronted with everything (and that is what we are talking about here), the answer ‘I know’—given by the politician, the poet and the craftsman—is inadequate. The only answer that is appropriate in the face of everything is ‘I do not know’, and this ‘I do not know’ is the basis of the horizon of the knowable.

β) ‘I Do Not Know’ As a Basis for ‘I Know’

Those who know have acquired their knowledge in the natural course of events. They have seen, they have heard, they have thought, and now they know and speak of what they know. And that is how people have known since the world began. I know because I have seen, or because I have heard from others, or because I have thought, or a combination of all of these. So there is no hiatus between the knower as a person and the known object qua known. The known is constituted in a natural way, even if it differs from person to person, according to the gifts and circumstances of each.

However Socrates comes along with ‘I know that I do not know’. It is not a matter of his not knowing such and such a thing, but of his fundamentally not knowing.

So he comes along with an ‘I do not know’ that shakes the brickwork of the known and that cannot be resisted by any natural known. Against the ‘natural’ wisdom of the known, he sets an ‘unnatural’ non-knowledge that creates a hiatus between the knower and the known and thus breaks their natural connection. ‘I do not know’ begins to undo ‘I know’.

The person who thought he knew stops first at the gulf created between the knower and the known by ‘I do not know’; then he feels a sort of paralysis, like the effect of the torpedo fish (to which Socrates is compared in Meno 80a and c). In the end, ‘I do not know’ completely dismantles ‘I know’, making the road back impossible, and at the same time preventing any return to the ‘natural’ process of knowing. The knower is thus introduced into a new field of relations towards ‘I know’, namely that of ‘I know that I do not know’. ‘I do not know’ is never a negative; rather it is a privative, but it belongs to an ‘unnatural’ zone other than that of the natural ‘I know’. It is no longer possible to reach the latter zone ‘naturally’, i.e. simply to have access to the known. Rather a way must be found that includes within itself a turning back over the relation ‘I know—I do not know’ and that is capable of guaranteeing the known.

This way, which springs from the space of a fundamental ‘I do not know’—the creator of a hiatus between the knower and the known—was named by the ancient Greeks μέθοδος, a word that originally meant ‘road’ or ‘way’, and that became a technical term, with the sense of ‘method’, only in the time of Plato.8 The method thus appears in the horizon of ‘I know that I do not know’; it is not a way of avoiding errors, but a way of building.9

Every method has its origin here: knowing that he does not know, man builds something and makes a road.10 In stating that he knew that he did not know, Socrates was instituting, and knew he was instituting, something epoch-making. His strength lies in the courage with which he remained in the zone of ‘I do not know’, the zone that he tried to clarify, and with which he came to identify himself. His greatness cannot be measured, for no one, either before or since, has had such strength and courage. What he achieved was the most significant grounding of Western spirituality. It is for this reason that he is a foundation of the Western spirit. From Socrates onwards, throughout Western culture, any knowledge would be based on a method; even love is conceived by Saint Augustine as a method of knowing. Ever since Socrates, Western knowledge has no longer found the known, but has obtained it; for it always starts from a negative ‘I know’, i.e. from ‘I know that I do not know’. The foundation of Western culture is this fundamental ‘I do not know,’ which opens the dynamic horizon of a methodical mathesis universalis.

Or

Life is the most fragile of things: you can cease to be at any moment. This is one commonplace. A second is this: this life is all we have—which means that it is very precious. And a third: each of us lives in a different way; so our life has a specific content. Now, in the context of the fragility of life, what is the meaning of this content? In other words, how should we live? What life should we choose? What is so valuable that it is decisive in the question of the value of life, and in that of ‘to live or to die’? All these were Socrates’ problems. Do we face these problems ourselves? Do we consider our life as a whole?

In Dostoyevsky’s The Devils, there is a disturbing passage about half knowledge. Shatov, speaking to Stavrogin, says:

half-knowledge [is the] most terrible scourge of humanity, worse than pestilence, famine, or war, and quite unknown till our present century. Half-knowledge is a despot such as has never been known before. A despot that has its own priests and its slaves, a despot before whom everybody prostrates himself with love and superstitious dread, such as has been quite inconceivable till now, before whom science itself trembles and surrenders in a shameful way. (Dostoyevsky 1953, 257)20 20

Half-knowledge, for Dostoyevsky, is not a sort of less rigorous, less exact knowledge, but a phenomenon existing in its own right on a very large scale, and characteristic of the world in which he lived, and in which we too live. Of course there were half-knowing people in the time of the Greeks too. But it is only in our own time that half-knowledge has manifested itself on such a large scale, becoming a mass phenomenon, and only in our world that it has become, as Dostoevsky puts it, a despot. Half-knowledge is basically just a variation on thinking you know what you do not know. But is it for us, as it was for Dostoevsky, the greatest evil of our world, worse than pestilence, famine, or war? Do we believe, like Socrates, that the greatest evil that can afflict the soul is to think you know what you do not know? Do we see that the greatest trap for the spirit is precisely this—that everyone thinks they know? That everyone can explain what needs to be done?

We can busy ourselves with the Socratic problems by reading or writing books or articles about Socrates’ ethics. But Socrates himself did not write anything; he just talked with other people. His philosophy was an anti-cultural act, and we should perceive it as such. However it is difficult to do this, as the machinery of culture— which initially eliminates all the great creators, and then puts them in the limelight to ‘adore’ them—has transformed the philosophy of Socrates into a matter of culture; i.e. a matter that no longer concerns me.

Socrates wanted us to see our lives as a whole. If I do not see my life as a whole, then I wander, πλάνω, ich gehe hin und her, I drift hither and thither. But if I do see my life as a whole, then I should manage to prevent this whole from being contradictory. What does an uncontradictory life mean? In means, in the first place, a life without compromises. When do I make a compromise? When something of vital interest for me is threatened; for life is my most precious possession, and all that protects it is good. So the compromise protects my life, but takes away its coherence. And this is precisely the position that Socrates is attacking. For him, the most precious possession is not life itself, regardless of how it is lived, but the way you live it, i.e. its coherence. So who is right, Socrates or us?

If Socrates is right, then everything is irrelevant to us, apart from our lives.

World We Live In

by Alexandru Dragomir

Since Socrates is mentioned, perhaps Hadot’s books are much more related to Dhamma, than any of phenomenological books.

Authenticity in the Dhamma

Word “authenticity” as much as any other term is ambiguous. Sometimes it is understood as “free expression of ones own personality”. In that contextual meaning practice of Dhamma should be rather understood as “exercises in falsification”, or more seriously the attitude in opposition to such “authenticity”.

Nevertheless authenticity has also quite different meaning:

[On Heidegger’s notion of the ‘inauthentic’ man:] The word ‘inauthentic’ is used by Heidegger to describe the ostrich-like attitude of the man who seeks to escape from his inescapable self-responsibility by becoming an anonymous member of a crowd. This is the normal attitude of nearly everybody. To be ‘authentic’ a man must be constantly and deliberately aware of his total responsibility for what he is.

For example, a judge may disclaim personal responsibility for sentencing people to punishment. He will say that as a judge it is his duty to punish. In other words it is as an anonymous representative of the Judiciary that he punishes, and it is the Judiciary that must take the responsibility. This man is inauthentic. If he wishes to be authentic he must think to himself, whenever he sits on the Bench or draws his salary, ‘Why do I punish? Because, as a judge, it is my duty to punish.

Why am I a judge? Is it perhaps my duty to be a judge? No. I am a judge because I myself choose to be a judge. I choose to be one who punishes in the name of the Law. Can I, if I really wish, choose not to be a judge? Yes, I am absolutely free at any moment to stop being a judge, if I so choose. If this is so, when a guilty man comes up before me for sentence, do I have any alternative but to punish him? Yes, I can get up, walk out of the courtroom, and resign my job. Then if, instead, I punish him, am I responsible? I am totally responsible.’ Nanavira Thera

Again Nanavira:

But the question of authenticity (which more or less corresponds to the subjectivity-reflexion pair of attitudes discussed earlier) is another matter. If this mode of thinking can be achieved, it is capable of making a great deal of difference to one’s life. Once one recognizes that one is totally responsible for all one’s decisions and actions, one can no longer hide behind convenient ready-made excuses; and this, though it makes life rather less comfortable by removing one’s habitual blinkers, endows one with unexpected self-reliance and resilience in difficult situations. And once it becomes habitual to think in this way the task of living is discovered to be a full-time job and not merely a drudge to be got through by killing time as best one can. In other words, it abolishes boredom.* Finally, as I think I mentioned some time ago, it is only in this authentic or responsible attitude that the Buddha’s Teaching becomes intelligible.

* The common view is that the remedy for boredom is variety or distraction, but this only aggravates the malady . The real remedy is repetition.

Here is Kierkegaard again:

Whoever fails to understand that life is repetition, and that this is its beauty, has passed judgement upon himself; he deserves no better fate than that which will befall him, namely to be lost. Hope is an alluring fruit which does not satisfy, memory is a miserable pittance that does not satisfy, but repetition is life’s daily bread, which satisfies and blesses. When a man has circumnavigated the globe it will appear whether he has the courage to understand that life is repetition, and the enthusiasm to find therein his happiness…. In repetition inheres the earnestness and reality of life.

(…) . And here is a dialogue from Dostoievsky’s The Possessed:

—Old philosophical commonplaces, always the same from the beginning of time, murmured Stavrogin with an air of careless pity.
—Always the same! Always the same from the beginning of time and nothing else! echoed Kirilov, his eyes shining, as if his victory was contained in this idea.

This passage underlines the futility of the historical method of dealing with religions and philosophies. The Buddha’s Teaching is not simply a reaction to the earlier Hinduism, as our modern scholars inform us ad nauseam.

If it is, the scholars will have to explain why I am a follower of the Buddha without being a disgruntled Hindu. Modern scholarship is inauthenticity in its most virulent form.

Nanavira Thera:

Care, says Heidegger, can be ‘lived’ in either of two modes: authentic or inauthentic. The authentic man faces himself reflexively and sees himself in his existential solitude—he sees that he is alone in the world—; whereas the inauthentic man takes refuge from this disquieting reflexion of himself in the anonymous security of people-in-general, of the ‘they’. The inauthentic man is fleeing from authenticity—from angst, that is to say, or ‘anxiety’; for anxiety is the state of the authentic man (remember that Heidegger is describing the puthujjana, and he sees no way out of anxiety, which, for him, is the mark of the lucid man facing up to himself).

But the normally smooth surface of the public world of the ‘they’ sometimes shows cracks, and the inauthentic man is pierced by pangs of anxiety, recalling him for a moment or two to the state of authenticity.

Chiefest amongst these is the apprehension of the possibility of death*, which the inauthentic man suddenly realizes is his possibility (death, of course, is certain: but this simply means that at any moment it is possible). He is torn from his complacent anonymity and brought up against the hard fact that he is an individual, that he himself is totally responsible for everything that he does, and that he is sure to die. The hitherto friendly and sheltering world suddenly becomes indifferent to him and meaningless in its totality . But this shattering experience is usually fleeting, and the habitually inauthentic man returns quickly enough to his anonymity. (…)

* It happens that, for Heidegger, contemplation of one’s death throughout one’s life is the key to authenticity. (…) Here, then, is a summary of Heidegger’s views on this matter (from 6ET, pp. 96-7):

Death, then, is the clue to authentic living, the eventual and omnipresent possibility which binds together and stabilizes my existence…. I anticipate death… by living in the presence of death as always immediately possible and as undermining everything. This full-blooded acceptance… of death, lived out, is authentic personal existence. Everything is taken as contingent.

Everything is devalued. Personal existence and everything encountered in personal existence is accepted as nothing, as meaningless, fallen under the blow of its possible impossibility. I see all my possibilities as already annihilated in death, as they will be, like those of others in their turn. In face of this capital possibility which devours all the others, there are only two alternatives: ac-ceptance or distraction. Even this choice is a rare privilege, since few are awakened by dread to the recognition of the choice, most remain lost in the illusions of everyday life. To choose acceptance of death as the supreme and normative possibility of my existence is not to reject the world and refuse participation in its daily preoccupations, it is to refuse to be deceived and to refuse to be identified with the preoccupations in which I engage: it is to take them for what they are worth—nothing. From this detachment springs the power, the dignity, the tolerance, of authentic personal existence.

Nanavira Thera: Heidegger tells us that we normally exist in a state of ‘fallenness.’ By this he means that most men hide from themselves by identifying themselves with the anonymous ‘one’ or ‘they’ or ‘the Others’ and people in general.

We have shown earlier how in the environment which lies closest to us, the public ‘environment’ already is ready-to-hand and is also a matter of concern [mitbesorgt]. In utilizing public means of transport and in making use of information services such as the newspaper, every Other is like the next. This being-with-one-another dissolves one’s own Dasein completely into the kind of Being of ‘the Others’, in such a way, indeed, that the Others as distinguishable and explicit vanish more and more. In this inconspicuousness and unascertainability, the real dictatorship of the “they” is unfolded. We take pleasure and enjoy ourselves as they [man] take pleasure; we read, see, and judge about literature and art as they see and judge; likewise we shrink back from the ‘great mass’ as they shrink back; we find ‘shocking’ what they find shocking. The ‘they’, which is nothing definite, and which all are, though not as the sum, prescribes the kind of Being of everydayness. (B&T, p. 164)

This kind of existence Heidegger calls ‘inauthenticity’; and it is what Sartre calls ‘serious-mindedness—which, as we all know, reigns over the world’ (EN, p. 7213). It is the inauthentic, the serious-minded, the solemn, who are your non-laughers. Or rather, they do laugh—but only at what the ‘they’ have decided is funny. (Look at a copy of Punch of a hundred, or even fifty, years ago; you will see how completely the fashion in humour has changed. The ‘sick joke’ was quite unthinkable in Victoria’s day—‘one’ simply did not laugh at that sort of thing, it was ‘not done’.) The inauthentic, absorbed by the world ‘like ink by a blotter’ (B&N, p. 626), accept their views and values ready made, and go about their daily business doing whatever ‘is done’. And this includes their relaxations. To be ‘serious-minded’ is to go to see comic films and laugh at whomever ‘one laughs at’, and see tragedies and have one’s emotions purged by the currently approved emotional purgative—the latest version, perhaps, of Romeo and Juliet.

That, as you know, is to be ‘well-adjusted’. But if one should happen not to laugh at whatever ‘one laughs at’, or should find Romeo and Juliet emotionally constipating, then one is accused, paradoxically enough, of ‘not being serious’. Variations, of course, are permitted; Bach or the Beatles, both are recognized; and one is not obliged to laugh at Bob Hope or Kingsley Amis.

Nanavira Thera:

People, for the most part, live in the objective-immediate mode (discussed earlier). This means that they are totally absorbed in and identified with positive worldly interests and projects, of which there is an unending variety. That is to say, although they differ from one another in their individual natures, the contents of their respective positivities, they are all alike in being positive. Thus, although the fundamental relation between positives is conflict (on account of their individual differences), they apprehend one another as all being in the same boat of positivity, and they think of men generally in terms of human solidarity, and say ‘we’.

But the person who lives in the subjective-reflexive mode is absorbed in and identified with, not the positive world, but himself.

The world, of course, remains ‘there’ but he regards it as accidental (Husserl says that he ‘puts it in parentheses, between brackets’), and this means that he dismisses whatever positive identification he may have as irrelevant. He is no longer ‘a politician’ or ‘a fisherman’, but ‘a self’. But what we call a ‘self’, unless receives positive identification from outside, remains a void, in other words a negative. A ‘self’, however, is positive in this respect—it seeks identification. So a person who identifies himself with himself finds that his positivity consists in negativity—not the confident ‘I am this’ or ‘I am that’ of the positive, but a puzzled, perplexed, or even anguished, ‘What am I?’. (This is where we meet the full force of Kierkegaard’s ‘concern and unrest’.) Eternal repetition of this eternally unanswerable question is the beginning of wisdom (it is the beginning of philosophy); but the temptation to provide oneself with a definite answer is usually too strong, and one falls into a wrong view of one kind or another. (It takes a Buddha to show the way out of this impossible situation. For the sotāpanna, who has understood the Buddha’s essential Teaching, the question still arises, but he sees that it is unanswerable and is not worried; for the arahat the question no longer arises at all, and this is final peace.) This person, then, who has his centre of gravity in himself instead of in the world (a situation that, though usually found as a con-genital feature, can be acquired by practice), far from seeing himself with the clear solid objective definition with which other people can be seen, hardly sees himself as anything definite at all: for himself he is, at best, a ‘What, if anything?’. It is precisely this lack of assured self-identity that is the secret strength of his position—for him the question-mark is the essential and his positive identity in the world is accidental, and whatever happens to him in a positive sense the question-mark still remains, which is all he really cares about. He is distressed, certainly, when his familiar world begins to break up, as it inevitably does, but unlike the positive he is able to fall back on himself and avoid total despair. It is also this feature that worries the positives; for they naturally assume that everybody else is a positive and they are ac-customed to grasp others by their positive content, and when they happen to meet a negative they find nothing to take hold of.
It quite often happens that a positive attributes to a negative var-ious strange secret motives, supposing that he has failed to understand him (in a positive sense); but what he has failed to understand is that there is actually nothing there to be understood. But a negative, being (as you point out) a rare bird himself, is accustomed to positives, by whom he is surrounded, and he does not mistake them for fellow negatives. He understands (or at least senses) that the common factor of positivity that welds them together in the ‘we’ of human solidarity does not extend to him, and mankind for him is ‘they’. When a negative meets another negative they tend to coalesce with a kind of easy mutual indifference. Unlike two positives, who have the differences in their respective positivities to keep them apart, two negatives have nothing to separate them, and one negative recognizes another by his peculiar transparency—whereas a positive is opaque.

Summary:

It is obvious enough that there can be no progress in the Dhamma for the inauthentic man. The inauthentic man does not even see the problem—all his effort is devoted to hiding from it. The Buddha’s Teaching is not for the serious-minded. Before we deal with the problem we must see it, and that means becoming authentic. Nanavira Thera

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See also Huxley:

The man who will lightly sacrifice a long-formed mental habit is exceptional. The vast majority of human beings dislike and even actually dread all notions with which they are not familiar.
Trotter, in his admirable Instincts of the Herd in Peace and War, has called them the ‘stable-minded,’ and has set over against them a minority of ‘unstable-minded people,’ fond of innovation
for its own sake…. The tendency of the stable-minded man… will always be to find that ‘whatever is, is right.’ Less subject to the habits of thought formed in youth, the unstable-minded naturally take pleasure in all that is new and revolutionary.

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Nanavira Thera: But although the passage from Huxley is quite good, I really mean something rather more subtle than the mere expression of unorthodox opinions.

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Thank you Bante. It is a great help for me :folded_hands:

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Hello, I’m not sure if this is my place to reply.

if you wanna start go deeper into this abyss (existence), you should first become familiar with these methods of thinking, not just philosophizing. Mainly core Buddhism teachings are especially designed for this matter. In EBTs I mainly see the deepest approaches to investigate the raw existence. This makes Buddhism core teaching more advanced or deep for many of us living in this era. So, get familiar in this journey towards self investigation ( the most basic way to say this).

Many philosophers does not go deep enough, many existential thinkers give up half way and start talking about creating meaning, creating self and so on. But, this is not same with some of them. Also, Shakya muni is one of them who powered through all the layers of self deceptions there is. Including those 8 deep meditative states.

The words (such as existentialism, phenomenology, anicca, anatta, five aggregates, etc) does not have inherent depth, but the magic happens when one knows how words actually comes to the meaning without actually thinking about words or any synonyms. There are many pragmatic tools to deepen our wisdom towards truth. Try HillSide hermitage YouTube channel, you might get valuable info.

I’m sorry, I do not have any details on that person.
Hope this might help you,
With Metta,

Precisely, you’re raising a wonderful point from an educated perspective.

Thanks :blush:

Let me raise another point. You mentioned:

The problem lies in the word “explanations”.

This distinction between description and explanation is of vital importance, and is really what I was talking about when I said that the Buddha’s Teaching cannot be understood by one who (however unwittingly) adopts the scientific attitude (which is also the scholar’s attitude). I suggested that a more fruitful approach to the Dhamma, at least for one accustomed to Western ideas, might be made by way of the existential or phenomenological philosophers, who have developed a more direct and fundamental approach to things than that of empirical science with its inductive and statistical methods. These methods give, at best, only probable results; whereas the phenomenologist, not going beyond description of present phenomena, enjoys certainty.

Unfortunately, as I told you, few of the more important writings of this school of thinkers are available in English; so I thought it might be of use to translate one or two passages and send them (prefaced by three quotations from a typical modern logician) for you to read at your leisure.[2] You may, perhaps, find them rather heavy going until you get more familiar with an unaccustomed manner of thinking. The long passage, which consists of most of the introduction to Sartre’s short treatise on emotion, may also serve as an introduction to phenomenology in general. It must be emphasized that this is not in any way a substitute for the Buddha’s Teaching—all these thinkers are still enmeshed in avijjā. We are not, in fact, interested in this or that particular result of the phenomenological method, but rather with the method itself—direct reflexion. And even when we succeed in adopting the attitude of direct reflexion (in place of the scientific attitude, which consists, precisely, in assuming that there is no such thing as an attitude at all), we still have to understand the Dhamma.

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The final sentence of the last paragraph leads me to the reflection that any proposed solution to the problem that disregards the three Laws of Thought[b] is, in the profoundest sense, frivolous. I think, perhaps, that you are one of the rather few people who will feel that this must be true, that all thinking in defiance of these Laws is essentially irresponsible.

At this point the rationalist will stand up and say that all his thinking is already in conformity with these Laws, and that consequently for him there is no problem to be solved. But the situation is not quite so simple. The present state of scientific thinking (which claims to be rational thinking par excellence) shows only too clearly that rationalism can only be maintained at the cost of introducing the most extraordinary absurdities into its premises. In a recent letter I spoke of Eddington’s assumption that ‘exactly as many things exist as do not exist’ and showed that this is good currency in quantum theory; and I now find that I have another example ready to hand. The ‘partly non-existent thing’ that turned up in the last paragraph also finds its place in quantum theory.

Dirac says: ‘The important things in the world appear as the invariants (or more generally the nearly invariants…) of these transformations’ (PQM, p. vii). A thing as an ‘invariant’ is quite in order—it is the Law of Identity, ‘A is A’. But a ‘nearly invariant’ is only a quasi-identity, ‘A is nearly A’—a ‘nearly invariant’ is ‘almost a thing’. Only things can be said to exist (‘to be a thing’ is ‘to be conceivable’, which is ‘to be able to exist’),[c] and consequently we can only say of ‘almost a thing’ that it ‘almost exists’, which is the same as saying that it is a ‘partly non-existent thing’. And Dirac, mark you, is Lucasian Professor of Mathematics in the University of Cambridge. It is reported that a distinguished physicist (I don’t know who) recently remarked that no theory that does not look completely crazy stands a chance of being true.[3] The rationalist no doubt does not see any problem to be solved, but this is certainly not because his thinking is in conformity with the Laws of Thought: on the contrary, it is because he successfully turns a blind eye to the fact that his thinking is based on violations of the Laws of Thought. No, the problem certainly is there (for the puthujjana, that is to say), and it is brought to light by persistent refusal to disregard the Laws of Thought.

It is the merit of the existentialist philosophers that they do in fact bring the problem to light in this way. What happens is this: the thinker examines and describes his own thinking in an act of reflexion, obstinately refusing to tolerate non-identities, contradictions, and excluded middles; at a certain point he comes up against a contradiction that he cannot resolve and that appears to be inherent in his very act of thinking. This contradiction is the existence of the thinker himself (as subject).

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Existential philosophies, then, insist upon asking questions about self and the world, taking care at the same time to insist that they are unanswerable.[f] Beyond this point of frustration these philosophies cannot go. The Buddha, too, insists that questions about self and the world are unanswerable, either by refusing to answer them[g] or by indicating that no statement about self and the world can be justified.[h] But – and here is the vital difference – the Buddha can and does go beyond this point: not, to be sure, by answering the unanswerable, but by showing the way leading to the final cessation of all questions about self and the world.[i][j] Let there be no mistake in the matter: the existential philosophies are not a substitute for the Buddha’s Teaching – for which, indeed, there can be no substitute.[k] The questions that they persist in asking are the questions of a puthujjana, of a ‘commoner’,[l] and though they see that they are unanswerable they have no alternative but to go on asking them; for the tacit assumption upon which all these philosophies rest is that the questions are valid. They are faced with an ambiguity that they cannot resolve. The Buddha, on the other hand, sees that the questions are not valid and that to ask them is to make the mistake of assuming that they are. One who has understood the Buddha’s Teaching no longer asks these questions; he is ariya, ‘noble’, and no more a puthujjana, and he is beyond the range of the existential philosophies; but he would never have reached the point of listening to the Buddha’s Teaching had he not first been disquieted by existential questions about himself and the world. There is no suggestion, of course, that it is necessary to become an existentialist philosopher before one can understand the Buddha: every intelligent man questions himself quite naturally about the nature and significance of his own existence, and provided he refuses to be satisfied with the first ready-made answer that he is offered he is as well placed as anyone to grasp the Buddha’s Teaching when he hears it.

k] To arrive at the Buddha’s Teaching independently is to become a Buddha oneself. N’atthi kho ito bahiddhā añño samano vā brāhmano vā yo evam bhūtam taccham tatham dhammam deseti yathā Bhagavā. (‘Outside here there is no other recluse or divine who sets forth as the Auspicious One does so real and factual and justified a Teaching.’) Indriya Samy. vi,3 <S.v,230> [Back to text]

[l] See, for example, the Sabbāsavasutta, Majjhima i,2 <M.i,8>: Ahan nu kho’smi, no nu kho’smi, kin nu kho’smi, kathan nu kho’smi, (‘Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I?’ [See M.i,2 at PARAMATTHA SACCA §2.]) and so on. *

*Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I?

Puthujjana is imprisoned in dialectic “to be or not to be”. Understanding of dependent arising: with upadana as condition being provides escape from this dialectic. See MN 11

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That’s helpful. I beg your pardon about my bad English writings and weak points. I’m truly lacking in many areas, thanks for reminding.

Also,
I do realize the major issue with existentialism and phenomenology. I don’t see those ways of thinking as Buddha’s early teaching. But, i some sutta ( Chattha Sangayana Tipitaka ).

Read carefully: The shakya muni does not have conflicts over facts or perspectives, the middle path is not about facts. He also agrees with wise people who showed truly wise perspective into the world, and yet the lord also do not go mixing with any of it.

With metta.