Does anyone know where Analayo discussed suttas on women?

[sujato]

Hi, I’m looking for articles where Ven Analayo discusses suttas on women, especially the “Black Snake” suttas and others in the Anguttara Nikaya.

Things I’m not looking for:

• The Bahudhatuka sutta, I have that one.
• The Mahapajapati story.

But I believe he discussed various other suttas in more detail, and that I haven’t found. There’s some quotes here that I can’t source.

Misogynistic much?

Venerable Analayo has looked into these passages and compared them with available parallels. And he concludes: In sum, just as the proclamation of the five impossibilities for women appears to be a later addition to the Bahudhātuka-sutta and to the foundation history, several other passages voicing attitudes of negativity towards women appear to be similarly late, or at least require contextualization. At the same time their existence testifies to the pervasiveness of negative attitudes toward…

[Dogen]

Here you go, bhante; it’s from “The Foundation History of the Nuns’ Order”:

hamburgup-hbs06-analayo.pdf

“Black snake” part starts at page 140; Danny’s first quote at page 145, second one at 143.

[sujato]

Awesome, thanks so much!

He notes that the “black snakes” imagery is found in the Maitrisimit, where it’s attributed to a gang of Sakyan youths, while the Buddha speaks of the virtues of women. Also worth noting, these suttas, in the Pali, are highly fragmentary, there’s no context or even attribution. We assume they’re attributed to the Buddha, but the text itself gives us nothing.

[Khemarato.bhikkhu]

@sujato

• The Bahudhatuka sutta, I have that one.

Do you have its sequel, the JBE paper about MN 146 ?

In what follows, I first translate the Saṃyukta āgama version, followed by studying those of its aspects that, when compared with the Nandakovāda-sutta of the Majjhima-nikāya, appear to reflect a different attitude in regard to the nuns.

attitudes-towards-nuns.pdf

[Volker]

Story of the past lives of bhikkhuṇī Bhaddā Kapilānī from Ekottarika-āgama in “Karma and Female Birth” by Bhikkhu Anālayo,

karma-female.pdf

Jataka Sutta about rebirth of the Bodhisatta as a woman?

In the Handbook of Pali Literature Vol. 2 Edited by Albrecht Wezler and Michael Witzel, there is a chapter on p. 199 about Apocryphe Sutta with reference to the following Jataka Sotatthakimahanidana (Smn) contains mainly an abbreviated version of the Jataka-Nidana, in which first of all the verses from Bv embedded in the Nidana- katha are quoted, and only rarely prose passages. Thus Smn is at the same time an abbreviated Bv, in which the individual chapters have been reshaped by adding new …

The Bahudhātuka-sutta and its Parallels on Women’s Inabilities
Bhikkhu Anālayo

“Defying Māra – Bhikkhunīs in the Saṃyukta-āgama”, in Women in Early Indian Buddhism: Comparative Textual Studies, Alice Collett (ed.), New York: Oxford University Press, 2014, 116–139. (reprinted in Saṃyukta-āgama Studies)

Outstanding Bhikkhunīs in the Ekottarika-āgama”, in Women in Early Indian Buddhism: Comparative Textual Studies, Alice Collett (ed.), 2014, 97–115, New York: Oxford University Press. (reprinted in Ekottarika-āgama Studies)

“Women’s Renunciation in Early Buddhism – The Four Assemblies and the Foundation of the Order of Nuns”, in Dignity & Discipline, Reviving Full Ordination for Buddhist Nuns, T. Mohr and J. Tsedroen (ed.), 2010, 65–97, Somerville: Wisdom Publications.
– German trsl.: “Die Weltentsagung der Frauen im frühen Buddhismus: Die vier Versammlungen und die Gründung des Nonnenordens”, in Mit Würde und Beharrlichkeit, Die Erneuerung buddhistischer Nonnenorden, A. Hubig (trsl.), Berlin: Steinrich, 113–161.

“Attitudes Towards Nuns – A Case Study of the Nandakovāda in the Light of its Parallels”, (with a contribution by Giuliana Martini) Journal of Buddhist Ethics, 2010, 17: 332–400. (reprinted in Saṃyukta-āgama Studies)

The Bahudhātuka-sutta and its Parallels on Women’s Inabilities”, Journal of Buddhist Ethics, 2009, 16: 137–190. download (reprinted in Madhyama-āgama Studies)

“Bhikkhunīs: Worthy of Respect and Support”, Sri Lanka International Journal of Buddhist Studies, 2025, 10: 1–32.

[sujato]

Thanks for all of these.

FYI the context is for a paper I’m writing, which basically argues that discrimination against women contradicts the eightfold path. I wanted to avoid discussing these issues, which I think Analayo has ably discussed already. But anyway, on the editor’s request, I’ll say a few things, but mostly just cite Analayo.

[Sabina]

Hello Bhante, you are probably already aware of this collection of Ven. Analayo’s writings, but thought I sent it anyway.: Publications by Bhikkhu Anālayo - Barre Center for Buddhist Studies

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Sabina