Finding references to Vinaya online at Suttacentral

Hi all

I hope this finds you well and happy.

A few times I have wanted to find a Vinaya reference online at Suttacentral, but couldn’t.

Fortunately, after posting for help, I got it and they have been found, but now I am looking for another one and thought that maybe some comparative table could be made to help people check for themselves.

This is what I understand:

PTS Abbr. / Section / PTS Translation / Aṭṭhakathā

Vin 1 / Mahāvagga / BD IV / Samantapāsādikā for all the Vinaya
Vin 2 / Cullavagga / BD V
Vin 3 / Bhikkhu Pati First 19 rules / BD I
Vin 3 / Bhikkhu Pati 30 Nis / BD II
Vin 4 / to end of Bhikkhunī / BD III
Vin 5 / Parivāra / BD VI

Now I am looking for:
Bh. Purāṇa is told to ‘submit’ to the recitation of the First Council, to which he does not agree. (Vin ii.286) and I understand it’s in the Cullavagga, but I can’t see any Cullavagga mentioned and did a search for Cullavaga in Suttacentral and it only shows sutta references.

I just noticed that SuttaCentral, (Maha)khandhaka covers the first council. I’m guessing Culla and Mahavaggas are in the Khandhaka. So I found it SuttaCentral.

Could Cullavagga and Mahavagga be added as search terms for the vinaya and the explanation for the Khandhaka?

thanks
Joe

Do you mean this Venerable Purāna: Kd21:1.11.1 ?

It’s easier to see here Vinaya - Khandhaka

Mahavagga is khandakas 1-10
Culavagga is khandakas 11-22

It’s not really clear on sc huh?!

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Hello
thanks so much, that’s what I needed.
no, not so clear on sc
best wishes
Joe

@HongDa, do you know why volpage:Vin ii 286 doesn’t work in the search? Is there some other letter abbreviation for the Vinaya texts? Or does the volpage: only work with the Nikayas?

Can you flesh out a little more how you would expect that to work? Like, give a search term and then explain what kind of results you would expect to see.

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Hi

I hope this finds you well and happy.

Vin ii 286 is for the PTS Pali version = Cullavagga (now I know = Khandhaka 11-22) which is their English translation BD V, Books of the Discipline volume 5.

I don’t know if you can search by PTS vol and page for any text. I doubt it and that would be a great function to add. When I have sutta PTS references I go to various translations on SC and sometimes the heading has the range of PTS pages. So, I could possibly find it that way. Otherwise I open Chattha Sangayana Tipitaka and use the ‘go to’ with the PTS page number to find the sutta reference number.

As I have said, when I search for Cullavagga, SC only gives me sutta references. It does not give me any Vinaya reference. So, I was hoping that Cullavagga could be added as a reference tag for all of the Khandhaka 11-22 and probably Mahavagga for all of the Khandhaka 1-10.

It would seem we do not have information on SC to clarify what Cullavagga and Mahavagga cover in the Vinaya.

I hope that is clearer.

best wishes
Joe

Yes, you can. Just click on the filter icon when using the search to get the instructions on how to do it:

I’m not sure what you mean by reference tag.

It appears that the search, in general, doesn’t work well for searching for book titles. For example searching for “khandhaka” doesn’t give any helpful results:

Same for Petavatthu:

So it seems that first we need to address people searching for book/collection titles, and then hard code something in to give results for searches for Mahavagga and Cullavagga.

I’ll write up a GitHub issue.

Edit: Here it is. Please, all, feel free to comment there.

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Oh, that’s great, thanks so much.

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You are very welcome. If you ever find bugs in the search, please report them here:

(You can always find this post by going to the Feedback category. It’s never too far from the top, unfortunately :face_with_open_eyes_and_hand_over_mouth:)

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Hi

Well I tried searching for Vin ii 286:

0 results for volpage:Vin ii 286

am I missing something?

best wishes

Yes, that’s why I wrote this:

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sorry, I didn’t realise the @ plus a name, meant the message was for someone else.