Giving ordination

  1. Who Should Give Ordination
    “Mendicants, ordination should be given by a mendicant with five qualities. What five? It’s a mendicant who has the entire spectrum of an adept’s ethics, immersion, wisdom, freedom (vimuttikkhandhen), and the knowledge and vision of freedom. Ordination should be given by a mendicant with these five qualities.” SuttaCentral

Does this mean that only stream entrants and above can give ordination? Is there a parallel in the Vinayana @Brahmali? :slight_smile:

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Yes, it is found in the Vinaya. In fact it properly belongs to the Vinaya, not so much the suttas. But as always, there is a lot of overlap. Here is the full passage from the Vinaya. As you can see it is a bit more complicated than it first appears:

A monk who has five qualities may give the full ordination, give support, and have a novice monk attend on him. He has the virtue, stillness, wisdom, freedom, and knowledge and vision of freedom of one fully trained.

A monk who has another five qualities may give the full ordination, give support, and have a novice monk attend on him. He both has and encourages others in the virtue, stillness, wisdom, freedom, and knowledge and vision of freedom of one fully trained.

A monk who has another five qualities may give the full ordination, give support, and have a novice monk attend on him. He has faith, conscience, moral prudence, energy, and mindfulness.

A monk who has another five qualities may give the full ordination, give support, and have a novice monk attend on him. He has not failed in the higher morality; he has not failed in the higher conduct; he has not failed in view; heʼs learned; heʼs wise.

A monk who has another five qualities may give the full ordination, give support, and have a novice monk attend on him. Heʼs capable of the following three things in regard to a student: to attend on him or have someone attend on him when heʼs sick; to send him away or to get him sent away when heʼs discontent with the spiritual life; to use the Teaching to dispel remorse; and he knows what actions constitute an offense; and he knows how one is cleared of an offense.

A monk who has another five qualities may give the full ordination, give support, and have a novice monk attend on him. Heʼs capable of the following five things in regard to a student: to make him train in good conduct; to train him in the basics of the spiritual life; to train him in the Teaching; to train him in the monastic law; to use the Teaching to make him let go of wrong views.

A monk who has another five qualities may give the full ordination, give support, and have a novice monk attend on him. He knows what actions constitute an offense; he knows what actions do not constitute an offense; he knows which offenses are light; he knows which offenses are serious; both monastic codes have been well transmitted to him in detail, and both the rules and their detailed exposition have been well analyzed by him, thoroughly mastered, and well investigated.

A monk who has another five qualities may give the full ordination, give support, and have a novice monk attend on him. He knows what actions constitute an offense; he knows what actions do not constitute an offense; he knows which offenses are light; he knows what is a serious offense; he has ten or more years of seniority.

Of these, the first and the last are the two most interesting. The first one gives you the ideal qualities of a teacher/preceptor, whereas the last one gives you the minimum qualifications. At least that is how it is normally interpreted!

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Hi bhante @Brahmali,
Thanks for clarifying!
Could you point to the source? I couldn’t find it using search myself.
:anjal:

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I’m the same. :grin:

I.B Horner’s translation is found here. Scroll down to the heading “On five cases when one may ordain”. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Thanks bhante!
:anjal: