How does rebirth as a ghost or deva take place?

One is born into this world through the birthing process from a mother… do the suttas say anything about how one is reborn into the ghost or deva realms?

Also, do the suttas say what exactly a ghost is? Or for that matter, what is a deva? Are they made of matter like us? Are they “physical” in nature? Is a ghost thought of like a spirit?

Kind regards

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In MN12 we learn of four possible kinds of reproduction, among which spontaneous reproduction.
This is the sort of reproduction which originates beings in the realm of hungry ghosts:

And what is spontaneous reproduction?
Gods, hell-beings, certain humans, and certain beings in the lower realms.
This is called spontaneous reproduction.
These are the four kinds of reproduction.

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It’s covered briefly in the Mahāsīhanādasutta

“Sāriputta, there are these four kinds of generation. What are the four? Egg-born generation, womb-born generation, moisture-born generation, and spontaneous generation.

“What is egg-born generation? There are these beings born by breaking out of the shell of an egg; this is called egg-born generation. What is womb-born generation? There are these beings born by breaking out from the caul; this is called womb-born generation. What is moisture-born generation? There are these beings born in a rotten fish, in a rotten corpse, in rotten porridge, in a cesspit, or in a sewer; this is called moisture-born generation. What is spontaneous generation? There are gods and denizens of hell and certain human beings and some beings in the lower worlds; this is called spontaneous generation. These are the four kinds of generation."

This is really more of a commentarial topic. In the suttas even late texts like the Petavatthu and Vimānavatthu (which are entirely about ghosts and devas) don’t specify of which particular rūpadhammas they are constituted (though they are both clearly material, as are all beings except those in the four arūpa realms).

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I think it says that anyone who has faith, virtue, learning, generosity and wisdom (sadda, sila, suta, caga, panna), goes to heaven, somewhere…

with metta

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Awesome! Thanks for the sutta reference!
:+1:t2:

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Thank you Bhante. If you wouldn’t mind, whatt do the commentaries have to say about the make up of ghosts and devas?

Much metta

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Interesting… do happen to remember where you might have read that?

Maha metta

You might find these charts helpful…
https://readingfaithfully.org/realms-of-rebirth-taught-by-the-buddha/

The Lakkhana Samyutta also has information about ghosts.

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Thanks… i guess my other question is what exactly is a ghost and deva?

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Excellent question. Adding to that, what is the nature of the environment in which they live? Material? What are the natures of the realms in which the devas and ghosts dwell?

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