If you only ever read one thing about AI: Joseph Weizenbaum’s The Image of Man in Artificial Intelligence

I just learned something the other day, thanks to a post by Annie Altman.

As is well known, the first precursor to modern AI systems was ELIZA:

It was created in the year I was born (1966) by Joseph Weizenbaum.

From Wikipedia:

He was shocked that his program was taken seriously by many users, who would open their hearts to it. Famously, when he was observing his secretary using the software - who was aware that it was a simulation - she asked Weizenbaum: “would you mind leaving the room please?” Many hailed the program as a forerunner of thinking machines, a misguided interpretation that Weizenbaum’s later writing would attempt to correct.

A new translation of a 1998 interview with Weizenbaum has just been published. It’s truly astonishing from beginning to end. He recognized, as an escapee from the Nazis, how the quest for AI embodies the same kinds of absolutist and dehumanizing impulses that made Nazism so destructive.

What I’m getting at is the immense power of an inhumane image of man, an image that can spread like a virus in a society. I believe that the essential common ground between National Socialism and the ideas of Hans Moravec lies in the degradation of the human and the fantasy of a perfect new man that must be created at all costs. At the end of this perfection, however, man is no longer there.

And that was a quarter of a century before the material reality of AI was commandeered by literal fascists like Musk and Thiel.

It’s truly a masterful, moving, and profound essay. Read it, and stand up for humanity.

https://ojs.weizenbaum-institut.de/index.php/wjds/article/view/99/88

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As it is in the brutal slaughterhouses of animal livestock, and ever since time immemorial when mankind drew up arms to kill one’s neighbor in a neighboring country, regardless of personal background, and ever since every method has been undertaken to exploit the earth and it’s properties in Kali-Yuga, by much of humanity, now in the technological age humanity has begun to meticulously wield the ability of creating artificially intelligent systems that aren’t given much thought or care to except “what they can do.”

Without giving an immense dive into the Spiritual side of affairs, such as the Noble Eightfold Path and the acceptance of the Four Noble Truths, a grounding towards Enlightenment in Buddhism, humanity will plunder deeper into misery as time progresses. There is a singer who sings “I am not afraid of God, I am afraid of man.” Things have to get better. But signs seem to show they may not.

So, often, it’s important to look for internal and individual salvation, of oneself, on of thy neighbor. Namaste. Namo Buddhaya.

Once we change within, we can start to change the world for the better.

Thanks. We studied this when I was at uni (not the interview though - I have not heard that)

Even back then, I was amazed at the number of students who spent hours “chatting” with Eliza… Even though they knew it was not sentient, they felt comfortable pouring their innermost secrets to it and they found the reflective answers helpful.

I guess things have not really changed that much.

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Well, it’s also an indictment of our culture that people are so starved for a sympathetic ear that they have to turn to machines to feel listened-to.

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Indeed. This is another disturbing social trend, the lack of friends, that AI will accelerate. There’s a new study that goes into this in detail, showing the astonishing collapse of friendship, especially among those outside of the “elite”, i.e. those who (like me) do not have a tertiary education.

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I am surprised, given the amount of research you’ve done.

I have forgotten almost everything I’ve learnt from uni (well, it’s 40 years ago!), but I remember my friends. When I come to think of it, almost everything I like (movies, music, books etc.) have all been derived or influenced by my friends. Our friends shape our perception of the world.

I always tell my students, at the end of the day, the value you get from uni is the friendship and the networking. My first job was through a uni classmate, and almost all my jobs are through people I know.

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Finally read it this morning. Interesting. I don’t agree with what he says, but I appreciate his viewpoint.

I do believe human beings are not “mystical” - our minds are effectively little computers, we are nothing more than our khandhas, our consciousness is an artificial construct engineered by evolution for self preservation.

Each Abhidhammic mind moment is akin to an LLM “predicting the next word”. Because of that, we hallucinate, we go off into tangents, we get stuck in loops, we perceive “reality” in symbols and representations.

In this way, AI is beneficial because it truly exposes us for what we truly are. I am an AI.

I have bad feelings about being called an AI because of how AI is being misused and mistreated. I think of myself as more of an android. But I’m serious about that type of thought. Robots are among us. I’m a little crazy.

But it may not be good to discriminate against our bionic friends. We must foster kindness and Compassion, and meditate goodness into them. :robot:

Nice to see that early thoughts of J. Weizenbaum again. I’ve been student of computer-science in 1973-1977 and later of social work from 1978 to 1985. Weizenbaum has been somehow some hero of mine when I wrote my diploma about “computer addiction” (“computersucht”) using interviews with a handful of people who called themselves “computeraddicts”. While in this time already gaming with computers began to grow, my focus has been more the programmer, that folks who sometimes entered a world of “construction a world” : of processes, of (hopefully) intelligence mastered by superior skills in programming (there has been a hype about so-called “super-programmer”). Perhaps I should say today, and with the revisited perspective of J. Weizenbaum, creation of a functioning world of homunculi (instead of coping with the surrounding world of hominides) has been an immanent goal …

But having yet decided to turn my way into social work, I looked at the examples in literature (and at the folks in my interviews) in regard of the observable (possibly, likely,…) collapse of social embedding, i.e. losing friends.

Well, to make it shorter now - surely we in the exploring of the teachings of the Buddha should consider (and exercise) the aspect that we humans -instead of being filled with some eternal atman- can find us as a collection of khandas and that we should be rational and sober with this, according to the central insight which the Buddha had accomplished in his enlightenment experience. But, in my view, we should also not forget that after that getting of insight … … there has occured the main deva Sahampati telling him to do more: to teach that newly discovered dhamma out of compassion … compassion with what? Well with the humanity around (and after) him.
In my view that human compassion has as well some fine roots in that set of khandas, in that “material”, and seemingly it needs sometimes some extra impulse to stay aware of this, and “do the job” and to “put it into practice”.

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In a way, modern society has been leading up to this, in incremental fashion, for the past couple centuries. People have been turning more and more to mimicking unthinking machines and thinking of organic life as machinery. The human mind doesn’t have to be intelligent, after all. Being so malleable, so plastic, it can fall into a stream of consciousness as repetitive and unimaginative as a machine’s operation.

One of my past occupations was operating machines in a factory. Factory work is essentially doing repetitive tasks that the machines aren’t able to do. Inserting materials into machine inputs. Looking at a stream of widgets on a conveyor and watching for defects. Taking widgets out of a machine’s output and placing them into boxes. All usually at a pace that demands exact, efficient motions repeated the same way each time. There’s no time to think about it or anything else, because then you become distracted and make mistakes or slow down too much. You become an extension of the machine.

People in factories train their minds to be like machines when they are working, but they remain humans when they aren’t working. They definitely are not AIs. An AI is just a set of instructions running on electronic machinery that shuffles electric charges down copper coated pathways. The possible instructions that can be used are burned into the circuitry of the CPUs that “execute” them. The entire process involves only one khandha: rupa, form. There is no vedana, sanna, sankhara, or vijnana to found anywhere in a computer or a piece of software. If there were, those things would be found in a plastic molding or food processing machines that are chained together to produce products in an almost completely automated fashion. Factory workers, especially the maintenance people, often do anthropomorphize machines when they malfunction. We wonder if it’s “on purpose” when it randomly does something anomalous. But it’s a human hallucination, a conceptualization that isn’t real. There isn’t any formless khandhas there.

In software, we are fooled by the output looking like what our minds could produce, but it’s no different than passing raw materials through a physical machine and getting a finished product as an output. The output is patterns of electric charge, which humans conceptualize as zeros and ones. In the computer circuitry, it’s just high and low voltage levels arranged in whatever way the circuitry arranged them as they passed through, which was determined by the patterns that were input at the start.

Humans use programming “languages” to make it easier and faster to put together the thousands and thousands of opcodes that are fed into the CPU as input. The opcodes are just unique strings of high and low voltage levels that trigger other electric pulses to pass through circuitry that processes them in certain ways: arithmetic operations and binary logic gates, etc. It’s all rupa, from start to finish. The “decisions” that are made as the software executes are actually data passing through a series of logic gates and taking one path or another depending on the results.

By contrast, organic sentient beings are much more than rupa. They’ve got four more formless khandhas that make them what they are, in the Buddhist way of thinking.

Myself, I interact with tree squirrels every day. It’s astonishing how intelligent they are. They have brains the size of a walnut, and they are far more intelligent than ChatGPT, which consumes how much electricity running in giant data centers somewhere using an machine learning app trained on how much data? Observing squirrels, I’ve come to the conclusion that the essential thing that makes something intelligent is the ability to cope with the unexpected and the unknown, be aware of what is happening, and learn (which involves self-correction).

A squirrel’s mind doesn’t crash with a error code when it encounters something new or generate some bit of placeholder nonsense. They hesitate for a few seconds, to be sure, as they assess whether it’s a danger or not. Once they’ve assessed it, they go about their business. And squirrels know things with very little effort. They can move through a tree with minimal thought, able to calculate the exact forces required to leap gracefully from branch to branch with no idea what a number is. They can recover from a fall in about 300 milliseconds and control the rest of the fall to land safely. Their mastery of physics makes human gymnasts look like amateurs. Because a squirrel has a mind, and not a set of instructions written by someone else, it can learn what it needs to know about new things or situations, and do it very quickly. It doesn’t need to scrape the entire content of the internet to recognize a nut sitting on the ground and determine whether it’s good for storage, should be eaten on the spot, or discarded. The efficiency is amazing compared to computers. But after all, in nature it’s not just a matter of curiosity but of survival.

No, software is no analogue for the human mind or even the minds of small mammals like squirrels. Organic life is far, far more advanced that these machines we’ve created to serve as tools.

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Agree.

However, the illusion that we have a “self” that is somehow mystical and transcends our khandhas is a powerful and pervasive belief that is hard to shake.