Is rebirth an insight or a philosophical question?

The following method of meditation seems to give one a direct intuition of rebirth. How does it sound to you?

Take the case of a practitioner who performs the meditation on body “as” body. Seeing things clearly, they name the attributes of this body exactly as they are, and they only name what is really there, and do not name what is not there. Now, even though it is not standard for this meditation, this includes the consciousness. (By consciousness I really mean pure awareness, but I’ll stick with consciousness. I am aware of the Buddha’s discussion with Sati.)

One practices thus, seeing again trivially, that Nature’s forces have gone ahead producing this body with all its attributes, never bothering to consult one’s so-called power of will. Consciousness, one finds, was there at the moment of physical birth. How could it be otherwise? This means that consciousness is an irrefutable aspect of the physical attributes found at the very moment of birth. This consciousness was present right when the body was born, this consciousness persists, and this consciousness has not gone away.

Continuing thus, one sees that any human body including the most nearby one is not a special case. This most nearby of all things, this bag of blood and bones, is subject to the same eternal law, the same dukkha, the same aging, the same impermanence, the same ignorance, the same world of being and extinction. This is verifiable by experience. In any case, if it were more or less important than others, it would have no right to make a purely physical claim to that.

Therefore one sees, without making any logical missteps as far as I can tell, that this body with this consciousness surely originated here in the same way as any other material form did. That is, unless one believes that material forms “do not originate.” Do they not? How so? Here, as there, Nature works out the same principle in a uniform way; namely, two items at once: consciousness and a body. It does not really matter what that body is.

This seems to show that it is a certainty that consciousness, being not ours, and yet always being present as a natural force, has the very plain and normal ability to transmigrate to another physical formation regardless of what that formation happens to be. If it can happen here, it can happen anywhere else. Further evidence being that our best effort to separate ourselves on the basis of consciousness from the rest of reality is made hopeless and ugly by the imminent everyday knowledge that impermanence really smacks us around if we aren’t careful. So I wonder, should we merely “believe” in rebirth, or should we gain insight of it?

Rebirth is an empirical fact. https://www.reddit.com/r/Buddhism/comments/dktouv/buddhists_should_repost_rebirth_evidences_more/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Be careful of using consciousness like thing to justify rebirth. Remember the aim is to end rebirth. Some Mahāyana Buddhists goes to the extend of saying after enlightenment, the pure mind is not destroyed, so even enlightened ones can come back.

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It’s okay not to eradicate all life. :heart:

I’m not the type of person who could believe rebirth without personal evidence, … so for me, I would always say insight ( and better yet- traceable evidence from those insights) is better than faith.

If faith is enough for others - then great, good for them, … but faith would never work on me.

Insight for the win.

As in AN10.10:
“…an expert in the training, one who recollects their many kinds of past lives, one who with clairvoyance that surpasses the human sees sentient beings passing away and being reborn, and one who lives having realized the ending of defilements,…”

Insight into rebirth is one of the Three Knowledges.

Until there is insight and understanding, one relies to some degree on saddha, faith in the Teachings.
As in SN12.23:

" Suffering is a vital condition for faith. Faith is a vital condition for joy. Joy is a vital condition for rapture…Immersion is a vital condition for truly knowing and seeing. Truly knowing and seeing is a vital condition for disillusionment. Disillusionment is a vital condition for dispassion. Dispassion is a vital condition for freedom. Freedom is a vital condition for the knowledge of ending.

So in the end it’s insight that finally liberates.

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Most noble beings—including many arahants, such as those “freed by wisdom” (paññā-vimutta)—do not possess the power to recollect their past lives. Yet, all noble beings somehow know that rebirth is a fact. This is because they have a profound understanding of causality, allowing them to trace the causes of phenomena they experience back to actions in the past, as well as the effects of their current actions on the present and future. This understanding of causality may be greater or lesser depending on the qualities of each being, but it is sufficient to comprehend the reality of kamma and rebirth.

Additionally, they hold faith in the Buddha and in members of the Sangha who have attained such powers, such as the recollection of past lives and the knowledge of rebirth of beings according to their actions.

MN117 highlights an essential aspect of Right View: having confidence in those who deserve it—individuals of great virtue, wisdom, and mental development—who can teach those truths that we cannot yet perceive on our own.

there are contemplatives & brahmans who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.’

Without following this premise, it becomes difficult to achieve the mental development necessary to independently comprehend such things. In other words, we need confidence before “going beyond doubt, getting rid of indecision, and becoming self-assured and independent of others regarding the Teacher’s instructions”.

Note: Only a Buddha possesses perfect knowledge of the workings of kamma and rebirth. On some occasions, he advised against excessive reflection on these topics—this advice applies even to arahants.

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