Kammayoni in the Subjects for Regular Reviewing

Of the scant chanting I do, my go-to is Subjects for Regular Reviewing.

I use AN 5.57 but the formula is presented in a handful of other AN suttas, plus here Mil3.4.4 (thanks, John Kelly!).

Earlier this week, I took a longer look at the fifth reflection in pāli:

I am the owner of my deeds and heir to my deeds. Deeds are my womb, my relative, and my refuge.

Kammassakomhi, kammadāyādo kammayoni kammabandhu kammapaṭisaraṇo.

Everything seems clear-cut except for – you guessed it – kammayoni.

@Dheerayupa took this up last year in a Q&A; however, it was quickly solved in what is, for me, an unsatisfying conclusion. I don’t see relevant discussion in any other D&D threads.

We have two tantalizing threads which we may consider related:

From the Q&A we learn that kammayoni or, more precisely, yoni means “womb”. @stephen points out that Bhikkhu Bodhi translates it a tad differently:

I am the owner of my kamma, the heir of my kamma; I have kamma as my origin, kamma as my relative, kamma as my resort; I will be the heir of whatever kamma, good or bad, that I do.

This translation choice points away from “womb” (aka “uterus”) to something different. The challenge is that:

  • we don’t really see yoni in the suttas so we derive the meaning from the Sanskrit.
  • the pāli word for “embryo (or womb)” is gabbha as found here:

But do you know
‘Jānanti pana bhonto—
how an embryo is conceived?’
yathā gabbhassa avakkanti hotī’ti?

This term is barely used in the suttas – whether we’re talking about the English term “womb” or the pāli equivalent gabbha. By contrast, the term features prominently in the

ancient brahmanical theories of rebirth

as Bhante Sujato explains at length in the D&D thread I cited above. From what I can tell, he uses the essay in part to establish the novelty of “re-birth consciousness” as a Chinese-language concept that does not neatly derive from the Vedic and Brahmanic literature. @cdpatton explains the Chinese language translation in the other D&D thread I cited above.

Bhante concludes:

OK, that settles gandhabba.

Still, I’m not seeing yoni as the neat equivalent of “womb” in AN 5.57. Bhikkhu Bodhi’s translation “origin” seems more plausible. I mean, “womb” and “origin” aren’t necessarily the same thing.

I discovered this intriguing analysis in Karma and Rebirth in Classical Indian Traditions, edited by Wendy Doniger O’Flaherty. In the first chapter-essay (which she wrote), she draws on David M. Knipe’s research on the origin of the theory of karma.

If one can stomach reading a free preview on Jeff Bezos’ Amazon, the entire essay is available – Karma and Rebirth in the Vedas and Purāṇas. The short of it:

  • Originally karma may have explained repeated death, not re-birth so much.
  • There may have been later conflation with liberation from saṃsāra or endless rounds of re-birth.
  • The former interpretation inspires a death ritual where the son transfers merit to the deceased parent in the form of food – so that they don’t die. (See piṇḍa or ball of rice.) O’Flaherty contends that piṇḍa may also be associated with male testicles, not just the female embryo (where fertilization has already taken place).
  • The death rituals foreshadow the model later set forth for the creation of the embryo.
  • There is a Viṣṇu myth where Viṣṇu and several women take the form of yonis, called piṇḍas.

All of which is to say that Bhikkhu Bodhi’s translation of yoni as “origin” makes more sense to me – as a less literal choice:

I have kamma as my origin

Still, the word history in Sanskrit seems to imply something like this:

“Deeds result from transferring merit to my deceased parents” (using Bhante Sujato’s translation choice “deeds” for kamma).

That said, it’s not very poetic and doesn’t lend itself to chanting.

So,

Deeds are my womb

where I don’t literally consider yoni to mean womb so much as “meritorious acts bestowed on my relatives.” This precedes the next part of the formula “Deeds are my relative” which perhaps is emphasizing the same concept through some word play.

Taken all together – not focusing so much on the exact sequence – this formula teaches that kamma does not operate independently from who gave birth to us. Given it apppears a very old concept pre-dating the Buddha, potentially it’s original meaning supported ancestor worship.

I am the owner of my deeds and heir to my deeds. Deeds are my womb, my relative, and my refuge.

Kammassakomhi, kammadāyādo kammayoni kammabandhu kammapaṭisaraṇo.

:folded_hands:

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I am the owner of my actions, heir to my actions, born of my actions, bound to my actions, and have my actions as my refuge.

yoni: womb, origin, source

bandhu: relative, kinsman, bound to

Having action as one’s refuge: in the framework of action and result (kamma-vipāka), there is no external deity or outside protector to rely upon—one’s own intentional actions serve as the ultimate ground, protection, and shelter that one carries forward.

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Hi

As i understand it Kammayoni refers to the type of rebirth. Having performed unwholesome deeds one could be reborn in an animal womb or in any other unfortunate rebirth. By performing wholesome deeds one is reborn in a human womb or any other fortunate rebirth.

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The short study I conducted via the OP supports my conclusion.

Kamma does not operate independently from who gave birth to us.

Previous discussions left me wanting a more rounded word study. There is a decided shift in rendering kamma a reflection on one’s relatives, rather than espousing it as some kind of uterine-like cave that I take refuge in. That’s never made sense to me.

I’m not proposing any grand, sweeping conclusions about kamma or rebirth. We have plenty of SuttaCentral threads for that :sweat_smile:

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I don’t see how your study supports that reading. There is no evidence in the Canon, as far as I know, that one can influence the kamma of others, nor that there is transference of merits of some kind, so this reading appearing only here, at this place and nowhere else is very odd.

Also, I think you are taken the meaning of womb too literally. There are many sources that uses womb as origin, source. If you look at the Oxford English Dictionary, for example, one of the meanings of womb is:

3.b.

c1400–

figurative and in extended use. A place or medium in which something is originated, produced, or developed; the environment in which a particular activity or process begins; a point of origin and growth.

Also, in MN 12, we read:

Sāriputta, there are these four kinds of reproduction.

Catasso kho imā, sāriputta, yoniyo.

What four?

Katamā catasso?

Reproduction for creatures born from an egg, from a womb, from moisture, or spontaneously.

Aṇḍajā yoni, jalābujā yoni, saṁsedajā yoni, opapātikā yoni.

So, kammayoni, in this sense would be born from actions, kamma is my origin, I was born from kamma.

As mudita mentioned, bandhu means relative, bound to, more in the sense that I am bound to my kamma, my kamma is close to me, as a relative.

But, again, my main point is that there is no sutta evidence outside of this text that supports this kind of conclusion, even if it were the correct interpretation.

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moxu made some good points to put the “womb” or “uterus” finally to rest. Pāli is a language and thus there a not a few cases, like in all other human tongues, where it can be quite helpful to employ linguistic analysis in order to arrive at a better understanding. This is admittedly not my field and I am rightly embarrassed to put the following to paper, but it might make sense to look at kammayoni from the morphological angle. -yoni at the end of a compound can, and in this case probably does, transform a nominal compound into an adjective (Pāli grammarians call this in a rather scary technical way “turning a kammadhārayasamāsa into a bahubbīhisamāsa”) which would mean something like “produced from …”.

In support of the view that yoni here is not regarded as a physical organ but as an abstract concept, one might adduce the Cūḷakammavibhaṅgasuttavaṇṇanā, the commentary on MN 135, which says “‘they are produced from action (kammayonī)’ means action (kammaṃ) is their (etesaṃ) origin (yoni) or cause (kāraṇaṃ)” (kammaṃ etesaṃ yoni kāraṇanti kammayonī). The statement in the discourse refers to plural “sentient beings” (sattā), so in the formulation with which BethL started this discussion, the reflection should be (for a masculine subject) “kammayoni amhi” – I am produced from action. At least that is my limited understanding at the moment.

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Isolated from the preceding verses, I have no issues with this – It’s what taught. It’s that this interpretation seems out of context in AN 5.57, especially when I start unpacking the history of the terms kamma and yoni.

Certainly adds to the interesting discussion! This also makes sense to me so long as we’re not talking about AN 5.57.

I’m saying there’s speculation by Vedic scholars that karma as a concept may have its origins in the transfer of merit death ritual.

I agree that the occurrence of the verse seems odd in this particular sutta. That’s what led me down this path of word study.

Precisely what I’m not doing :rofl:… I have no doubt that the English term womb (or, biologically speaking, uterus) can be a poetic way of referring to one’s origin.

In AN 5.57, it feels right. I love the progression. However, it also feels somewhat out of sync with the preceding verses. I need to study the parallels.

This takes us back to a literal, rather than poetic, interpretation for yoni – physical reproduction. If we interpret similarly in the AN 5.57 verse,

Kammassakomhi, kammadāyādo kammayoni kammabandhu kammapaṭisaraṇo

then yoni fits with the concept of what is passed down to me from my ancestors or parents.

I can be at peace with this, as well.

Not for me; however they offered a kind and helpful post!

Technically true :heart_eyes:. The grammar doesn’t seem like the issue here – for me, anyway. It’s the origins of kamma the concept.

This is super-helpful! Then origin is a kind of synonym for cause.

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A person holding wrong view and not believing in kamma would think ‘I am born or originated merely from my mother’s womb.’ However according to Kammasakata right view beings truly originate because of their Kamma. The type of mothers womb too is determined by the beings kamma. A physical womb is one result of kamma amongst many others. I guess we could say that looking at a more fundamental level it is Kamma that has built the life we experience currently, kamma is the principal source of our good and bad experiences through the six sense doors.

I have a feeling no one replying to this thread took the time to sift through this at all. :slight_smile:

Thanks for some interesting thoughts, Beth!

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Dogen, the free essay preview is no longer available.

Now it can only be accessed as a stand-alone essay on sites like academia.org with a pay wall. ( I suscribe to it.)

Otherwise the table of contents is here free of charge.

It does take a while to digest the essay. I realize Wendy Doniger O’Flaherty’s reputation is controversial due to some past re-interpretations of Hinduism. However AFAIK she still has an outstanding reputation amongst peers.

As they say in France: Mais oui! But of course! :folded_hands:

My point is that the verse in question feels incongruous with the preceding four reflections unless it means, roughly:

I got here through my parents. It’s nothing personal. It’s kamma.

I agree :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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@BethL, could you detail more how the usual interpretation of this phrase does not fit with the sutta overall? I tried to re-read it, but couldn’t catch it.

@moxu

The first three reflections follow this:

intoxicated with/drunk on…do bad things…I am liable to…I am not exempt…entirely give [it] up…or at least reduce it

The fourth reflection differs slightly in the construction. Instead of being intoxicated we are aroused (by…).

I read the same formula across the four. It includes giving up or at least reducing the intoxication or arousal which keeps me stuck doing bad things (I prefer to think of it as keeping me in denial).

In the fifth reflection, I read more than a slight shift in the construction:

I shall be the heir of whatever deeds I do, whether good or bad
I am the owner of my deeds and heir to my deeds
Deeds are my womb, my relative, and my refuge

It’s not the same formula except for including the fact that I won’t be stuck doing bad things (or staying in denial); however, there’s no teaching on how I would get unstuck from denying the reality of the fifth reflection.

It’s like we’re moving along merrily with the first four reflections, then there’s this amazing teaching on kamma and rebirth. It is like fireworks.

I’ve heard teaching through the years that associates upekkhā in the brahmaviharas with the fifth reflection. The idea seems rooted in the fact that I am not responsible for anyone else’s kamma, only my own.

However this has always felt awkward.

Isn’t the 5th reflection about having a choice to do something about it? You’ve been born, getting sick and as long as you are reborn will get old; now what?

If you make bad choices you’re going to get reborn in bad situations (literally and figuratively). For this reason your actions/ethical choices are your womb for rebirth. Kind of like the English idiom, 'you’ve made your bed, now lie in it’. By reflecting on this again and again we are encouraged to do good deeds and try not to be reborn.

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I agree Venerable :anjal:

The Amaravati chanting book I have at home translates it as ‘born of my kamma’.

Which I’ve gotten used to over the years and works for me :blush:

Fun fact: Apparently Albanese’s mum was fond of this saying :grin:

“Mum used to say…”

What’s interesting for me, reflecting on this sutta which Beth has brought up (thanks Beth!:anjal:) is how the 5 phrases are repeated twice, once with the following refrain:

“Reviewing this subject often, they entirely give up…, or at least reduce it.”

And then, it repeats the 5 again, with this refrain:

"When they review this subject often, the path is born in them.

They cultivate, develop, and make much of it.

By doing so, they give up the fetters and eliminate the underlying tendencies."

The first time the Buddha mentions them, you can either give ‘it’ up entirely, or at least reduce ‘it’.

And then the second time he says, “the path is born in them”.:mindblown:

And you know when you read something over and over again, and then you read it for the umpteenth time and you realise “Oh that’s huge!” :grin: Stream-entry maybe? :thinking: At the very least, you’re on the path (magga), perhaps not yet the ‘fruit’ phala. :anjal:

From a bushwalker’s perspective, it’s important to at least be on the right path, otherwise you get lost :grin:

And another thing I noticed is, it’s a gradual, as in the gradual training.

You first reduce things, and at some point you can give it up entirely.

You see this a lot in the suttas, the Mangala sutta is classic in terms of starting with basic morality and then ends with realization of the path. :anjal:

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