fwiw, iâm just chiming in as a âused to script kiddie copy-pasteâ and âtrying to learn paliâ (like not even 10 chapters into de silva days) I just want to say that on those decks because of the programmatic creation sometimes they give a sense of a word when itâs the other sense that is relevant - like they donât show a whole root from the dpd (as of 1-2 weeks ago)
also language and protocols are relations and relational - most the IT people [1] are lamenting ai because while they may be formal language enthusiasts the aspect of learning and finding out from each other is why they would drop into irc or give attention and code review
i imagine itâs the same with pali education - I have a friend right now who is in sri lanka and sits face to face as they go through the pali
itâs that attention that is language - itâs relational [3] - the dhamma - generosity - caga - freely open handed - not the kind of knowledge that is to âgetâ the âin the headâ and âreproduce for the examâ the instrumental - the close handed (hannah arendt in 1954 [2] )
most FOSS maintainers well familiar with the kind of code dumps or pull requests from the bots it deffers the attention to the human, they have been through this
For those making these decks and giving them away - wait untill all your bug reports or updates for words and senses are from ai bots then you will understand
a lot of this use of AI defers to human attention - if you see people losing their minds from IT = this (see for instance rob pike - creator of unicode, go lang, a lot of the best unix interfaces that because they were designed for human attention and very kind and brief to it - is also the prefer means the ai agents use [1])
it will be coming to the humanities soon
with metta
even the design of internet prococols are relational and have conductâŚ
" TCP implementations should follow a general principle of robustness:
be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from
others." - the tcp protocol (a.k.a âthe internetâ) [4]
[1] i can give a lot of examples where this relational is noted by just 2 days from anotehr discourse⌠On The Merits Of LLMs - Off-Topic - Haiku Community
There is a possibility here that all this results in isolating people from each other, preventing collective organization, if itâs used in this way. I do make a lot of my work available under open source licenses. The only profit I get from that is the occasional âthank youâ email, people recognizing my nickname in unexpected places, things made using my software. I see a future where people will not access this information directly, but through an LLM mixing it with other data, and providing better answers, but no human connexions.
thereâs lineage and transmission in the IT community too - elders of Rob Pike or Kernighan - bell labs / at&t - they created these tools the agents use -that was not their intent - the reason the agents use them is because they were well designed, terse and kind t ohuman attention - and a procol - a pro social way of structuring communication across walks of life - also essential element of culture - which is why the agents use that tool - strong language warning but this is him on boxing day after openclaw agent emailed him
[2] Hannah Arendt in The Human Condition"the implements and tools of homo faber, from which the experience of instrumentality arises, determine all work and fabrication. For here iti s true the end justifies the means; it does more, it produces and organises them. The ends justifies the violence done to natuere to win the material, as the wood justifies killing the tree and the table justifies destroying the wood. Because of the end prodcut, tools are designed and implements invented, and the same end product organises the work process itself, decides about the needed specialists and the measure of co-operation. During the work process everything is judged in terms of usefulness and suitablity for the derived end." I submit this is not yoniso. And we have a good similie from the sutta work itâs more like AN11.11 on caga freely open handed (eds apologies again this is after having accidentally clicked send on a draft - just trying to connect the context here)
[3] ⌠language is relational ⌠it might seem âjust a toolâ but protocol design, interface design is very human it had human attention in mind and FOSS is like a gift - caga - now I had mind on this - when interviewing for co-ops - when someone would potentially live with us without us having ability to say when they should leave (and potentially for life) most important indicator was what they noticed in others - did they understand why we were working - what we were doing - and Iâm imagining as monastics can see this on alms round - the differeence between awareness of intention of the donor and what it was or its instrumental value etc
Iâm so fortunate, so very fortunate.
Among people with hearts full of the stain of stinginess I live at home rid of stinginess, freely generous, open-handed, loving to let go, committed to charity, loving to give and to share.â
An11.11 Now - imagine Oscar Wilde on the word âcharityâ there - doesntâ mean âlets give $30 to the poorsâ- itâs rather solidarity - civic - to give ones life, time and attention
nissaya
the support (the term for the understanding of pali given being the term for the relation of student - teacher)
dhamma vinaya
the form
caga
the condition
satipatthana sutta
how to set an alarm clock without a phone
the original âspaced repetion systemâ - âaloko udapadiâ
[4] sometimes this is intentionally violated too - this community of post plan9 enthusiasts I was following todeay because they seem to be setting up pro social networks .. they knowingly part of the TCP protocol. Or example of my own in 2013 - writing the cryptoparty code of conduct it was required that there was not an authority or check - this was necessary to establish relations where people conducted their own case by case trust checks that were outside of institutional norms - so against every inter-sectional bone in my body and intutions from other codes of conduct, by laws, constitutions been involed in editing or shaping in the communities part of - this one had to say âThis is not a safe spaceâ its sole purpose was because itâs often the expression of the high value âsafteyâ âpeaceâ that allows the entry of the untrusted authority - the reason why was to ensure it was a protcol that is human relations and establishment of trust checking came before any co-opting from powers in the name of certain values⌠I think it worked out ⌠a consequetial 6 words? I think it was the reason it spread so quickly - gave people persmission and to be in their hands - or to offer it as from them- not ask permission to check their undersanding or knowledge. Bhante just a couple days ago âAI is Knowledge totalitarianismâ itâs the claim to being most adept at it - and that being a value - something we value as the âgoodâ - and measuing for the good and trying to promote the good - that is the very condition that allows what chuang tzu calls âthe master theifâ.
Supermemo is a great program - anki only gets part of it - the designer of that tool piotr - what is his first rule? to understand before trying to know. pretty much everyone violates this. what is the mode of understanding? itâs nissaya (the same word for the teacher student relation is the same word for a corpus text designed to transmit dhamma and for what you have now trained gemini with perhaps unwittingly) - what is the support or condition itâs caga - the open handed relation - the form - dhamma vinaya
in the dictionary. The words are sorted by frequency in the Sutta and Vinaya texts, so the deck starts with well-known words and grows progressively harder. There will be monthly updates, so you will always have the latest information available to you.
