Literal Buddhism, Words and Numbers. Quantitative and Qualitative Research in the "Pali Canon"

I have been reflecting recently on what i am doing here and who I am trying to talk to and, inspired somewhat by some of @Jayarava 's posts, I have been trying to write up a proper introduction to and defense of my research Methodology.

Since I am not an academic, nor seeking academic publication, I think it is important to explain what I mean by a methodology, what I think my research means, and who I want to reach in talking about it.

My primary place for discussing these things is here amongst you whoā€™s opinions, knowledge and wisdom I appreciate so much and who I wish to convince of the value of my approach.


Naming names:

@sujato is the proximate source of all my recent engagement with Buddhist Studies. His suttacentral website, source code, source data, and in the following case json files, provide the backbone for my research.

Discourse at suttacentral, also ultimately a manifestation of @sujato 's contributions to Buddhist Studies, is my primary platform for discussing these topics with other students of buddhism.

Amongst those interlocuters I must make special mention of @cdpatton 's immense erudition and brilliant, active research into the Chinese materials, especially in my case his work on the Agamas. Of other active users at the current time @srkris @Jayarava , @knotty36, @Vaddha, @Brahmali, @Ceisiwr, @Dhammanando, and many others have provided much food for thought.

Former, or at least as far as I can tell less active researchers like @Gabriel and others have also been an as yet ongoing source of information and ideas.


This brings me to the first aspect of my Methodology. My primary current reading in Buddhist Studies are you aforenamed (and all those whoā€™s @ 's I couldnā€™t remember/find :stuck_out_tongue: ). This is a methodological point in the sense that I am seeking understanding and discourse from you, not form anyone in the academic arena, nor with any of the vinaya that I interact with in person.

The second aspect of my Methodology I should mention is me, that is I am engaging in this research to understand the four principle prose collections of ā€œEarly Buddhist Textsā€ in order to share my understanding with you here not as fellow practitioners of a religion but as fellow researches into a corpus.

This is what I mean by my pun in the title, I am here to discuss with the aforementioned and others who want to discuss literal Texts in the ā€œEarly Buddhist Textsā€. Whatever may be true of the religion of Buddhism, or of a real person named Gotoma Sakya or whatever, If the Texts of the early buddhist texts establishes something, then it establishes something about the ā€œliteralā€ buddhism of which we have note.


I think that literal words literally matter in literature. But for now I want to move from Words to Numbers, so I will finish my ā€œliterature reviewā€ with a few words, omitting vast and often fruitless readings of anything from philosophy east and west to jstor etc I have mainly relied on, prior to suttacentra, Thanissaro and others on access to insight, and a few other websites, but mostly on books, having read in whole or in parts, or consulted the print editions of the Long Discourses of Walshe, the Middle Discourses of Nanamoli, the Connected discourses of Bodhi, the Numerical discourses of Bodhi, the Dhammapada of Narada. The Sutta Nipata of Norman, the Upanishads of Olivelle, the Jaina Sutras of Jacobi, The Wonder that was India by Basham, Siderits and Katsuraā€™s Nagarjuna, Conzeā€™s Large Sutra on Perfect Wisdom, Warderā€™s Indian Buddhism and Introduction to Pali, Rhys Davidā€™s and Oldenbergs Vinaya, Prebeshā€™s Buddhist Monastic Dicipline, Irelands Udana and Itivutakka, CAF Rhys Davids Theri, Pandeā€™s Studies in the Origins of Buddhism, Kalupuhana, Gombrich and others. And especially inspired by Tominagaā€™s Emerging From Meditation.


In terms of Numbers, or Quantitative Research, I will say more now:

Using as my other primary tool the Digital Pali Reader for searching the Pali, and coming upon certain patterns I thought significant, I formed the impression that the four principle prose collections, C, where clearly the product of multiple generations of pre sectarian buddhists, that significant textual development could be traced through them, and that this textual development was reflective of the chronology of the material.

In order to explain this thesis I must first introduce some Texts, some Tropes and some Terminology that clarifies what exactly my Methodology is and what I think my research means.


Some Texts: (ordered approximately by age)

Our ā€œTripitakaā€ approx 40MB forms:

(Our Tripitaka size is estimated by taking the Pali files on Suttacentral in Json format. At another point we will have more to say on the relationships between the Prakrit, Sanskrit, Chinese and other sources and why taking the Pali tripitaka as our base line makes sense. For now though we present our findings rather than our arguments and evidence, which we will lay out after the results are presented. However we take it that only those Texts in the collection with Parallels in the Chinese, and only those Tropes that have Parallels in the Chinese, count as part of our reconstructed/imaginary ā€œpre-sectarianā€ Tripitaka. the same idea will apply to the sub-collections, especially ā€œCā€. The argument presented here applies to both the Pali and the Chinese, and as far as I can tell the Sanskrit and other materials, and is predominantly Quantitative, however the Qualitative illustration of the argument will be using the Pali almost exclusively, except where it is helpful to clarify what the Chinese does not say, i.e as a check on the Pali getting much beyond circa 400ish CE.)

Tripitaka 40MB:

Po (certain poems to be discussed) These poems we take as circa 500bce (vedic prakrit)
P (Patipada) a 50KB text in D.
K (Silakhandavagga, the first vagga in D)
D (Long) 2MB in T
M (Medium) 3MB in T
S (Connected) 3.5MB in T
E (Numerical) 3.5MB in T
A (Abhidhamma) 10MB in T
V (Vinaya) 6MB in T
L* (Lesser) 10MB in T
B (Buddhaghosa) Not in T but fixing portions of it in the 5th century ce.

(*sans Po)

So including B we have a collection that takes shape over about a thousand years.

The Po, especially in L in Snp and in Sā€™s Sagathavagga, but also often in D, M, A and elsewhere (Jataka Thera, Theri, etc) is very often very old, not merely preserving a language earlier than the prose, but also a more fundamental, radical, and non-doctrinal form of Buddhism than that in the bulk of the prose in C.

We will return to Po later, but our focus shall be on the Prose in the ā€œPrinciple Prose Collectionsā€;

C (Collection) of ā€œEarly Buddhist Proseā€ 12MB forms:

D 2 / 30t
M 3 / 200t
S 3.5 / 1500t
E 3.5 / 1800t

t is for Texts, i.e suttas.

D Texts are approx 70KB on average.
M Texts about 15KB On average.
S about 2KB
E about 2KB

Stylistically there are 2 sorts of prose in C, the longer ā€œNarrative Proseā€ in D and M, and the usually much shorter ā€œNumerical Proseā€ in S and E.

We will show in this series of posts that the fundamental relationship between Narrative and Numerics is that the Numerics depend on the Narratives and not the other way round.

Again, because this is an unfamiliar finding to some with previous faith commitments we will spend much time below establishing the fact, but for now, we merely present our findings.

Structurally there are also 2 divisions in C: D and E, the ā€œfirstā€ division and M and S, the ā€œsecondā€ division.

To see that E follows D and S follows M, and also that M follows D will require significant analysis, which will be outlined below. For now we will simply present our findings in the most succinct way possible.

The D tradition emanates from the text P which is a commentary on the Po at DN3:1.28.2 (DN27, MN53, SN6.11, AN11.10) and thereby fixes the chronology of C post Po. P, assumed to be some text originally even more terse than the example at PP6 but not so much as in ANXX, is thereby a more or less exact description both functionally and doctrinally of buddhist praxis at that time.

It centers on a concept X that can be found already across Po.

This prose text P on X, the notion that sensual influences disturb the mind and that undisturbed by these, the mind knows the truth, constitute the first canonical account of how the authors of Po understood the life of renunciation. C as a collection is a commentary on P and Po first and always. The division of the 2 traditions is apparent by comparing the jhānaį¹ƒ Trope distribution to the satipaį¹­į¹­hānā Trope, and other such trope distributions, which we will now address.


Some Tropes: (ordered approximately by age)

P Patipada
X Asava
H Dukkha
J Jhana
N Nisranca (escape)
Y Abyakata (unspeakables)
B Brahmaviharas
S Senses
R Aruppas
O Links of arising and ceasing
F Satipathanna
W the 37 WIngs of awakening
5 Aggregates, Annatta, Sunyuta, Etc


An example:

We will first give 2 search stings of 6 and 11 letters in length; jhānaį¹ƒ satipaį¹­į¹­hān

Str: jhānaį¹ƒ satipaį¹­į¹­hān
Po 5 6
P 1 0
K 12 0
D 57 11
M 140 28
S1 11 1
S2 43 134
E 130 38
A 655 78
V 108 17
L1 7 6
L2 112 230
B 103 19
T 1384 568

Our list is as before but we have split S into SN1-21 (S1) and SN22 on (S2) and we have split L into Early (L1) (up to Theri) and Late, (L2) Ap, Nett, etc)

This sort of table is the basic building block of my Methodology.

Here we see many salient features of our strings. For example satipaį¹­į¹­hān is rare in P, K, D and S1, and common in S2 and L2.

If we remove these our new totals for both strings are 1193 for jhānaį¹ƒ and 204 for satipaį¹­į¹­hān.

We will define our first Term T to be the global or Tripitaka wide frequency of a string sans S2 and L2. We will rarely use the full tables and instead take specific slices, in particular C, to examine Strings, their Tropes and the Texts

In our terminology the presence of jhānaį¹ƒ is five times the size of the presence of satipaį¹­į¹­hān in the early buddhist texts. We will now turn to some more Terms:


Some Terms: (ordered approximately by importance)

paį¹­hamaį¹ jhānaį¹ and cattāro satipaį¹­į¹­hānā are strings that locate most, but not all, instances of their respective teachings, of perhaps the two most famous meditations in all of Buddhism, but the distribution, length, frequency and depth of the texts attached to these two terms is very different:

The trope J in the Patipada, the Silakhandavagga, the Long, the Medium, the Connected and the Numerical, found by searching for the string paį¹­hamaį¹ƒ jhānaį¹ƒ:

J: paį¹­hamaį¹ƒ jhānaį¹ƒ

P 1
K 12
D 24
M 54
S 24
E 61
C: 163

The trope F in the Patipada, the Silakhandavagga, the Long, the Medium, the connected, the Numerical, found by searching for the string cattāro satipaį¹­į¹­hānā:

F: cattāro satipaį¹­į¹­hānā

P 0
K 0
D 10
M 11
S 48
E 18
C: 87

By String I mean a string of letters in the Pali.
By Distribution I mean how the frequency of a given trope differs from D to M to S to E.
By Length I mean the length of the Trope that the string searched for occurs in.
By Frequency I mean how many times the text or string or teaching is given in C.
By Depth I mean how many previously introduced Tropes and in how many layers does the Text that is home to the Trope associated with the String, rely on.

So String, Text, Trope, Distribution, Length, Frequency, Depth, Permutation and Parallel are our Key Terms.

Using our data tables to determine the Context of each string and identify Tropes, we will, in our next post in the sequence, continue with our example Tropes of jhānaį¹ƒ and satipaį¹­į¹­hān, determine the relationship between them, and demonstrate what Texts can be taken to depend on what other Texts in our C and our T.

Until next time!

Metta.

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Sounds interesting though Iā€™m not sure I understand your target properly (doing corpus linguistics in order to identify the frequency of occurence of tropes in the Canon?)
Anyway, good luck - sounds like a huge undertaking.

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It is a huge undertaking and I honestly have hit a bit of a low point in my motivation.
I wanted to show my community something I thought was important and even revolutionary in Buddhist Studies. Now I realize that the vast majority of posters here are simply religious practitioners who believe what they believe first and then find suttas to confirm what they already ā€œknowā€ to be ā€œBuddhismā€. No amount of research, no argument, however compelling, will alter their minds one little bit.

Itā€™s actually hit me pretty hard the last couple of weeks realizing how intensely delusional and anti-intellectual the majority of Buddhists are. Itā€™s come at a time when my relationship with religions in general is at basically an all time low, constantly hearing influential Jewish voices essentially saying that opposing the murder of babies by flying robots is ā€œantisemitismā€, watching the world seemingly drift further and further into a right wing, quasi-fascist, ethno-supremacist pit, Hindu and Christian nationalists beating the drums of war and isolationism, itā€™s all pretty miserable.

I have compiled, in the god knows how many words of posts here over the last couple of years, an absolutely overwhelming amount of evidence that the EBT are basically in chronological order (silakhandhavagga, the rest of the long discourses, the early middle length discourses, the nidanavagga, the khandhavagga, the salayatanavagga and the mahavagga basically form in that sequence) and what I have found has excited me immensely.

However I realize that posting this stuff here is like shouting into the void, and all I can expect to hear is a constant refrain of ā€œnumbers are meaningless!ā€ and ā€œmahayana texts are obviously late but applying similar arguments to the texts I like is wrong and just speculation!ā€ and so on and so forth.

So having lost all hope of really convincing anyone here to change their ideas a millimeter, and lost all respect for institutional religions and narrow minded religious followers, I have found myself in something of a funk, and I am not sure why I should keep going with my research.

Islam is the religion of surrender and it ferments hideous violence, Christianity is the religion of sacrifice and it is famous for raping children, and Buddhism is the religion of enlightenment and itā€™s followers are often the most delusional people I have ever met.

There is some sort of monstrous irony operating in world affairs that in itself is so seemingly impossible to be anything other than a sick joke that I am, again ironically, almost convinced that there must be a supernatural power behind the metaphysical curtain because how else could the world be so heartbreakingly perverse?

The most moral army in the world right now is perpetrating the most immoral crime I have witnessed in my half a century on this earth, the Buddhists I communicate with here on this forum mostly donā€™t seem capable of simple rational thought and critical argument that a bright high-schooler aught to have no trouble with, the world is falling to pieces and catching fire before our eyes, death, doom and despair, idiocy, idiocy, idiocy,

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
(W.B Yeats)

Metta

I can obviously only speak for myself but the situation that I find myself often in is that following, assessing and commenting on scientific findings in the field of Buddhist Studies is over my pay-grade most of the times.
There are so many examples: I read that the Atthakavagga is the eldest strata in the Canon due to it featuring some peculiar linguistic patterns. But I have no means of full-heartedly bowing to this because my Pali/Prakrit skills do not allow for this.

Iā€™m into greek philosophy and some scholars argue that the three marks of existence are found in the Skepticā€™s philosophy - basically as a literal translation - suggesting that Skepticism (Pyrrhoā€™s) and Early Buddhism are essentially the same . I found that very convincing. Other scholars critizised the research methods and debunked these findings. Reading those articles, I found that very convincing, too :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

But still I greatly enjoy reading and thinking about those things and I think others do, too.
Corpus linguistics is imo very useful and Iā€™m for one interested in the findings, so keep 'em coming.
I think that using this forum ā€˜solelyā€™ for deepening your religious practice to reduce suffering without scientificly approaching it, is absolutely legit. Maybe publishing the results in a scientific, peer-reviewed journal is something you might want to reconsider.

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