Looking & not finding refs to a word: chaturiya

… which I may either be spelling wrong, hearing wrong, or it belongs only in maybe Vedic stuff, or maybe some branches of Tibetan Buddhism instead.

In any case, my attempts at finding it in the sites search function and duck duck are failing so far.

The word sounds like ‘Chaturia’ and I believe it relates to the phenomena of retaining conscious awareness 24/7 for extended periods of time regardless of whether some one’s body is in awake mode or in a ‘physically asleep’ mode.

Does anyone know what I am talking about and can either correct the word, point me to where I will find it, … or give me another equivalent term for it.

Hi👋 I think this could be it?

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Omg, thank you Santo. I was not confident of getting an answer here so that is really awesome.

Had a quick scan of the link but will go read it properly. Thinking I probably should just read the entire Upanishads too.

I possibly own the Upanishads, but I’m not sure if these books are connected and are all part of it, or if only the one that literally says Upanishad is - in which case it must not be the entirety of it coz it’s rather short. At least I know where to look now tho :grin: Thx again.

  • A spiritualist centre shut down its public library and knowing what a book nerd I am gave me boxes and boxes and boxes of books - so I don’t really know what’s what here but they look like they go together :thinking:
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If your dhamma basis is not solid, I would recommend against reading other religions, better not plant any possible wrong views in the mind.

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Thank you for looking out for me, … but I’m not a Buddhist :slightly_smiling_face:

I’m not inclined tho to read anything from any source and just take it as gospel coz someone said so. It’s not a choice, it’s just how I am. Most of the time, I am generally left looking for answers after experiences have already happened that I had no context for at the time, … and it’s great when I find things after the fact coz I don’t need to have ‘faith’ - they’re just confirmations or elaborations. I can tho lend some leeway if I see a lot of truth surrounding something. Eg: I have not seen a Naga, but I’ll accept them on the strength of other aspects.

Possibly not the best approach coz sometimes the searches for the texts to back up whatever I have arrived at take years … and a few things have thrown up major hurdles that are going to require explanations to move fwd with, … but on the other hand tho, I like knowing my mind is no longer constrained by any pre- conceived ideas. It works well for me anyway - it got me here after all so I guess I’m doing alright on my quest for truth so far :rofl:

I KNOW a lot of Buddhism is right, but natural law is what it is, it existed before man defined it, & it does not need me to put myself in a ‘Buddha box’ ( that’s a South Park reference - IYKYK) with a neat label and bow. It doesn’t care - it just is -no matter what I call myself.

Currently, I don’t find my experiences quite fitting in any one box - not neatly anyway. I’d love to be able to have a straight talking conversation with an appropriate person about it all and get some more clarity - but I can’t see a context in which that is going to be able to happen.

It’s not going to matter tho if I put a hand in a Hindu box and rummage around to see what I pull out too. I’ve looked in many places and not taken many things on board. If I don’t already know it to be truth I’ll either discard it (if I know it’s wrong) or put it on the shelf of possibilities I can’t confirm or deny, … and sometimes I’ll go yay that makes sense instead. :smiley:

If there is one thing I learnt from having my staunch atheism flipped on its face much to my shock, it is to never close my mind to possibilities … and never decide I know something without knowing it first hand - nor absolute parameters about something either. I’m not going to box my mind in ever again. I was very wrong when I did that.

I’m happy to sit with my Spiritualist label for now tho - it doesn’t tell me what I have to think or where else I can/ can’t find truths. I don’t need to cling to a belief system. I might just end up a non- denominational truth seeker - who knows lol :blush:

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You’re clinging to this belief system right now:

Interesting take. :thinking:

I don’t see ‘not’ boxing myself in to a certain set of beliefs ( to the exclusion of all other possibilities) as an actual belief system that I’m boxed in to. But ok :grin:

I’m just going to have to run with it tho regardless and see where it takes me.

This, preferring to hold onto one’s own view rather than to completely adopt the Buddha’s view is the thing which would slow you down or prevent you from liberation.

The view of not wanting to box oneself seems to mean that you wouldn’t be satisfied with just the Buddha’s view. While it’s ok and indeed encouraged by the Buddha to test his teachings, it doesn’t mean that the Buddha actively encourages his disciples to go around learning all sorts of wrong views in the world. He only taught a handful of leaves and not everything he knew.

One makes progress along the path when one devotes oneself to learning right view, then practice in accordance to it. To know whatever magical thing other religious system has, it’s subordinate to the Buddha’s teachings, they do not lead to the ultimate end of all suffering.

Indeed it’s a leap of faith to even buy this notion, but this leap of faith is what would be deemed as a treasure by the Buddha.

View shapes one’s action. Your attachment to your view of not wanting to box oneself in, makes you delay or not start your journey along the noble 8fold path. Make it harder for you to have faith in the Dhamma. Thus in this sense, your view has negative consequences for you. Despite you arrived at that view due to seeing how your previous view harmed you, you still cling to a new view which also harms you in the way I described. It’s because of feelings that view are clung to. So practise the dhamma, get the results, then your feelings for the Buddha’s dhamma would overwrite your previous experience of wanting to stick to a non-boxing view.

Yes, ultimately Buddhism leads us to the point of non-clinging to any view, but still, the noble ones would have right view. And that is what brings us to the end of suffering. That’s what worth learning, treasuring, and not corrupting.

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Your faith is a truly beautiful thing.

You have tho made many assumptions and placed me on a point on a path based on your own perceptions rather than actually knowing the extent of mine, what I have experienced or what I know.

… and you know what, there is soooo much I could say, but I’m going to let you think what you think without objection, specific defence, or further explanation on my part.

Your mind appears to already be made up, but ultimately your thoughts about me or where you think I’m heading are not my business, so you are welcome to have them.

Thank you for your concern.

With metta :pray:

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