I recall a news feature out of Japan that showed a table of lovely and smart Japanese women eating together, only because the men in their peer group had no interest in dating or partnering with women; the men were all in VR and AI entertainment centers, playing games that simulated human experiences. For some Japanese men, technology displaced the need for human interaction. For the women, the men seemed just childish, or brainwashed by technology.
I wonder if technology will advance faster than the human race’s ability to psychologically adapt to it. I hate to use the word pathology again, but maybe there is a pathology that develps when matters of the mind and heart become subordinated to virtual experiences. The more technology in this area progresses, the more I want to retreat to Wat Umong, and just sit on the edge of the pond and feed the fish.
Is the link provided in #18 still the most up-to-date version of the map?
Is there a way to find the map easier than in this discussion - is it fixed somewhere?
Hello All. I recently came across this map of Buddha time’s cities and rivers at a musuem near to an Monastery archaelogical site in eastern part of India. Thought to share here.
Kaṇṇakujja is here quite clearly identified as current ‘Kannauj’, former ‘Kanoj’ and ancient ‘Kanyakubja’
This is confirmed by p.430 where ‘Sangkisa’ (i.e. Pali Saṅkassa, today ‘Sankisa’) is located 50 miles NW away from it and also had an Asoka pillar https://goo.gl/maps/cdbcFyQaU2K2
This still leaves open Soreyya and Verañjā. But if the cities from the Vinaya route are somewhat equidistant Soreyya could be somewhere around Etah.
Okay, so here’s the story of plotting Verañjā so far…
… Bhante suggested putting them in with question marks, I said,
Then, some ages later…
In short,
Looks like I get to dodge the recommended reading!
Checking out the revisions I made in Feb of last year (on the uMap - linked above) they seem to agree with your recommendations. While I felt at liberty to do whatever I wanted with my own map, I recall I was extremely cautious about changing any info on SC’s map without the approval.
As our conclusions about Soreyya and Verañjā agree I’ve just gone ahead and moved them so they align with the uMap and in the process I’ve found that it looks like at some point or other I felt it reasonable to add other locations on the uMap (not on the SC map - I haven’t added these as I haven’t checked up the PDPN entries to check for SC specific edits).
There may, in fact, be other differences between the two maps, but I barely remembered how to log into them never mind the work done on them, save for the point that the uMap is my latest and best guess at things… I think there could have been some minor description corrections, as well, come to think of it … who know’s?! My general hope had been to be able to present a linkified version on a stable platform, but after an enjoyable, all the same dizzying and failed attempt to get my head around javascript I just let the notion get very cozy under the ever growing pile of other stuff to do.
Oh, Ven. @Vimala just in case you need to change the coordinates of what shows on the dictionary pages, I figure I should let you know exactly what I moved:
I was so excited to find the mapping done in this thread. But so much more excited to learn that there were restaurants and coffeeshops in the Buddha’s India.
One of the version from Buddhologists Piprahwa is exact place of Kapilavastu, so I think need mark there as kapilavatthu as well
I think many people heard, that so famous place inculded in 8 places for visiting (4 classical is where Buddha born, attained Nibbana, taught first sermon, and goes to Parinibbana), so extra 4 (Place where monkey gave honey to Buddha, place where Buddha descended from Heaven after preaching to Mother, Place where Buddha showed Twin Miracle, and another one place where Buddha stopped elephant nalagiri which was sent by Devadatta), so first three locations of extra places known for everyone, but last one place where Buddha stopped elephant I can’t find, i searched in Google a lot, buy only I can find that this place mentioned among places for visiting. May be someone knows, where does Buddha stopped elephant Nalagiri?
Thanks. You’ve written ‘Sankissa’ but it’s actually ‘Sankassa’ on the map. Of course, there are all sorts of variations in spelling and that’s all fine, but I just want to check you definitely think it’s the same place.
The reason why I’m apprehensive to move it, is because as per the above conversation it fits into a route described in the texts and moving Sankassa to where you suggest would have implications on the other points too. Do you have a idea how the plotting of those other towns would be resolved?
Where does Buddhologists Piprahwa say Kapilavastu should be exactly? At the moment Kapilavatthu has been plotted where modern day Kapilavastu is.
…Devadatta’s next attempt on the Buddha’s life was to persuade elephant-keepers to let loose a fierce elephant, Nalāgiri (or Dhanapāla), drunk with toddy, on to the road by which the Buddha would pass. The news spread rapidly, and the Buddha was warned, but refused to turn back. As the elephant advanced he pervaded it with love, and thus completely subdued it.
This outrage made Devadatta very unpopular, and even Ajātasattu was compelled by the force of public opinion to withdraw his patronage from Devadatta, whose gain and honour decreased. (Sp.iv.811. At this time, Kokālika was very useful to Devadatta, J. ii.438).
Maybe it would be worth checking if the Sp.iv.811 (not sure what this is) or J. ii.438 (you can find the Jataka conversions on the SC site) to see if they give any geographical info.
I’m not sure does we talking about same place, I’m talking about place where Buddha has descended from heaven, after preaching to his mother. In wikipedia for example it’s written next thing: Sankassa (also Sankasia, Sankissa and Sankasya) was an ancient city in India. So that means we are talking about same place, it’s just can be spelled in different way. Sankassa - Wikipedia
As for Nalagiri elephant in original sources doesn’t mentioned exact place where Buddha subdued elephant, only thing I know, that elephant goes out from Ajatasattu palace.
I recently came across this map of Buddha time’s cities and rivers at a musuem near to an Monastery archaelogical site in eastern part of India. Thought to share here. 
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My general hope had been to be able to present a linkified version on a stable platform, but after an enjoyable, all the same dizzying and failed attempt to get my head around javascript I just let the notion get very cozy under the ever growing pile of other stuff to do.
