On the Translation of *sankhāra* as “Choice” by ven. Sujato Bhikkhu

I would like to begin by paying homage to Bhikkhu Sujato for his excellent work in translation. I wholeheartedly share his view on the necessity of distinguishing between Theravada and early Buddhism—in fact, I agree with him 99%. However, there is one aspect, constituting that remaining 1%, with which I respectfully disagree: his translation of the Pali term sankhāra as “choice.”

Translating sankhāra as “choice” can be problematic, as the word “choice” carries with it a host of connotations that do not entirely align with the original meaning of sankhāra in its Buddhist context. The term “choice” implies several key elements which may lead to a misinterpretation of the concept:

  1. Freedom and Free Will
    The word “choice” inherently suggests the existence of free will—that an individual possesses the freedom to select deliberately among several alternatives. This notion of an autonomous decision-maker is at odds with the way sankhāra is understood within the chain of conditioned co-arising (paṭiccasamuppāda). Here, sankhāra often refers to mental formations or volitions that arise automatically, without the intervention of a conscious, deliberate decision.
  2. Deliberation and Intentionality
    “Choice” also conveys the idea of a reflective process, involving careful weighing of options and a considered intention. Such deliberate decision-making does not capture the spontaneous and conditioned nature of sankhāra, which frequently emerges as an immediate response conditioned by preceding factors, rather than as a product of conscious deliberation.
  3. Agency and the Vision of Subjectivity
    Using “choice” implies the existence of an autonomous subject capable of selecting from a range of alternatives. This reinforces a particular vision of subjectivity by presupposing the existence of a stable self. In contrast, the Buddhist perspective regards the self as a dynamic, ever-changing process—not a pre-constituted entity. This dynamic view of subjectivity challenges the notion that there is a fixed agent making a deliberate “choice.”
  4. Moral and Ethical Responsibility
    The term “choice” often carries with it connotations of moral responsibility. If an action results from a conscious choice, the individual is typically held fully accountable for that decision. However, many of the sankhāra described in the early Buddhist texts emerge from deep-seated conditioning and operate in an automatic fashion, thereby complicating any straightforward attribution of ethical responsibility.
  5. The Semantic Richness of sankhāra
    Finally, it is important to acknowledge the multifaceted nature of sankhāra. The term encompasses a range of meanings—from mental formations and volitional impulses to the broader processes that condition our experience. Reducing sankhāra to the notion of “choice” risks oversimplifying its complexity and ignoring the subtle interplay of conditions that give rise to these formations.

In conclusion, while the translation of sankhāra as “choice” might appear appealing due to its familiarity in English, it inadvertently imposes notions of free will, deliberation, a fixed subject, and moral accountability—connotations that do not fully correspond to the original Buddhist concept. Recognising the conditioned and multifaceted nature of sankhāra is crucial for a more accurate understanding of the texts.

6 Likes

“The Buddhist perspective” - nobody thinks about himself in such terms. But Buddhist puthujjana, no matter how well versed he is in Suttas, thinks about himself precisely in the terms of stable self (otherwise he would be sotapanna.)

Undoubtedly you are right that our actions depend on many conditions, but it doesn’t change the fact that we are responsible for our choices.

Yes, this is valid objection, choice of choices for sankhara covers only meaning of intentional actions, in five aggregates, but not sankharas in other contexts.

1 Like

Hello Alain. :slight_smile:

Bhante has explained his choices with regards to using choices earlier. Perhaps it would be useful for you. :slight_smile:

Bhikkhu Bodhi translates it as “volitional activities” which has an even stronger “(free) will” connotations.

An 3.61 is an interesting sutta to consider whether Buddha was a determinist or not.

These are the views that Buddha criticizes:

There are some ascetics and brahmins who have this doctrine and view: ‘Everything this individual experiences—pleasurable, painful, or neutral—is because of past deeds.’

There are some ascetics and brahmins who have this doctrine and view: ‘Everything this individual experiences—pleasurable, painful, or neutral—is because of God Almighty’s creation.’

There are some ascetics and brahmins who have this doctrine and view: ‘Everything this individual experiences—pleasurable, painful, or neutral—has no cause or reason.’

So, this passage show me the nuances Buddha has, neither affirming a hard deterministic, nor a completely random universe. Things are conditioned, but this is far from a universe completely determined by past karma, “automatic” as you would say.

MN 136 further elaborates on the nuances:

In this case, when an ascetic or brahmin says this: ‘It seems that there is such a thing as bad deeds, and the result of bad conduct,’ I grant them that. And when they say: ‘I have seen a person here who killed living creatures … and had wrong view. And after death, they were reborn in hell,’ I also grant them that. But when they say: ‘It seems that everyone who kills living creatures … and has wrong view is reborn in hell,’ I don’t grant them that. And when they say: ‘Those whose notion is this have the right notion. Those whose notion is otherwise have a wrong notion.’ I also don’t grant them that. And when they obstinately stick to what they have known, seen, and understood for themselves, insisting that: ‘This is the only truth, anything else is futile,’ I also don’t grant them that. Why is that? Because the Realized One’s knowledge of the great analysis of deeds is otherwise.

(…)

So, Ānanda, there are deeds that are ineffective and appear ineffective. There are deeds that are ineffective but appear effective. There are deeds that are effective and appear effective. And there are deeds that are effective but appear ineffective.

Also, we should keep in mind sankhāra represents cetana in khandas. What’s explained as cetana in DO is explained as sankhāra in khandas.

SN12.28

Mendicants, what you intend or plan, and what you have underlying tendencies for become a support for the continuation of consciousness.

I would say the suttas are ripe with moral accountability. :grin: I don’t even know where to begin on this, though.

There’s that. But Pāli world-view that stems from the language is not the same as English world-view. So it makes things complicated. I understand that Bhikkhu Sujato wants the suttas to be available to as many people as simple as possible.

While at this point in my ventures, I try to read from Pāli whenever I can, I’ve made much of Bhante’s simplicities & I also appreciate why Bhante chooses what he does. :grin: I think Buddha precisely tried to counter the views of hard determinism in favour of a personally responsible, yet ultimately still impersonal nuanced teaching. Use of choices underlines this distinction, and precisely for the reasons you think it’s not a good choice, I think it makes us reconsider what we think of dhamma explaining an “automatic” process or not. :slight_smile:

Maybe these tangents will offer you a new perspective. :slight_smile:

Metta!

4 Likes

I agree with your view points on sankhara.

@Alain
Hi Alan, if you don’t mind me asking: How would you translate the term, then? Because that’s the hard thing after having pointed out the problematic features and thanks @Dogen for linking Ven. Sujato’s explanation where these have all been addressed and which I find very useful and comprehensible. In German sankhara is sometimes translated as “formative forces”. It’s what responds to vedana in the khandas, acting upon it. I don’t know how that sounds to a native English speaker, though.

Last year I spent much time on reading and watching anything I could get my hands on the topic of free will from a philosophical and neurocognitive perspective. I’ve been trying ever since to align that with what the suttas have to say about it. I agree that we’re not dealing with a hard deterministic outlook but as to how much the teachings lean towards the other end of the spectrum - I haven’t made up my mind. Maybe it’s the wrong take on it in terms of framing it that way. :nerd_face:

I just used the seach function and saw that of course this has already been discussed in another thread
(it always has - no matter which topic ->The devil takes the hindmost :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:).

1 Like

I’ve seen his name mentioned but I haven’t read anything. Thanks for the suggestion! I’ll definitely have a look after finishing “The Ego Tunnel. The Science of the Mind and the Myth of the Self” by Thomas Metzinger.

Hehe, yes I can imagine but still: isn’t it funny how modern cognitive scientists come to similar conclusions as expounded in the teachings some 2500 years ago?

edit: Sorry @Alain for having hijacked your thread! I’ll open a new one if there is more that isn’t closely related to your sankhara-translation-question!

Hello Dogen, Yes, I know the translation from the venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi who is my Dhamma teacher. On the contrary, I think it implies no choice. A volitional formation can be perfectly unconscious. In Western culture, since the end of the 19th century, it has been accepted that volition does not imply deliberation or choice. Schopenhauer, Freud, Niezsche, Marx, Derrida, Merleau-Ponty and others have all shown that our will is conditioned. Moreover, contemporary neuroscience also points in this direction. “Volitional formations” does not imply subjectivity. Rather, they are compositions of forces, not choices. Best regards, AD

2 Likes

Hello Dogen ! I understand, but de consequences of a choice made before are no more a nowday choise.

Hello Dogen, I agree with you the word “automatic” is not good. So, I take it of, but it does not really change the sens of my critique. I don’t beleive in hard determinism. In sankhāra there is a kind of choice pole and no-choise pole. According to me using only “choice” renders only a part of the meaning, but is still misleading. We are not speaking here of the understanding of Bhante Sujato, but only of the opportunity of using such or such word in a western language.

Greetings Alain et al. (I hope that suffices as a cordial greeting.)

For your reflection (but neither as a lesson, nor as one who thinks I know or as one who asserts view/s void of nuance or sufficient argumentation):

I initially encountered Venerable’s translation of sankhāra as “choice" in his series on D.O. It not only opened up understandings of D.O. I’d never noticed before, but it also inspired in me a continuing reflection on whether or not “operant behavior” is an appropriate translation of sankhāra. For me, this not only builds on Venerable’s choice, but improves it.

Beyond that, though, each of your five points contain logical and/or conceptual difficulties, which are (but not limited to):

Point 1: “Choice” implies will, but free will.
Point 2: Immediate responses are at odds with preceding factors.
Point 3: There is no Buddhist perspective of self, and one might even go so far as to say that for the the Buddha, selves are not regarded by they are, but as what they are not
Point 4: Deep seated conditioning is at odds with automaticity.
Point 5: On the one hand, you want heterogeneity (semantic richness) of translation, but on the other hand, homogeneity (within the EBT, etc…"). You want sankhāra to be multifaceted in nature, but not so multifaceted as to encompass Venerable Sujato’s choice? Furthermore, Venerable Sujato’s principal reason for his choice is remind us of the greater ethical context of the EBT: within the Four Noble Truths.

Please clarify.

Also:
Are you a determinist? If so, hard or soft? Why? If not, why?

With Sincerity & Respect,
landis

2 Likes

Hello Landis,
Thank you for your response. As I used an automatic translater (I don’t speak english very well), I need to make some modifications to my initial text, because the translation of my ideas is not good. But I can’t find a way to do it. Can you explain me ? I am not a geek but an old french man in the heat of Cambodia…

2 Likes

Hello again Alain, are you français as I suspect? In which case I may be of some help. :slight_smile:

Yes, I am as you suspect :slight_smile:

1 Like

Tres bien ! Vous pouvais poster votre message en français original, puis ajouter la traduction Google / ChatGPT en indiquant le moteur de traduction utilisé. Et si vous avez des questions sur certaines traductions, je ferai de mon mieux pour vs’aider.

Cependant, discuter des traductions du Dhamma peut devenir difficile. Par exemple, “will” se traduit par “volonté” en français, tandis que “volitional activities” devient “des activités volontaires”, et j’ai du mal à voir une différence fondamentale entre les deux. :slight_smile: N’impliquent-ils pas pour vous l’idée de « choix » ?

My Post in English

Great! You can post your message in French original and then post the Google / ChatGPT translation indicating the source engine you’re using. And if you have any questions regarding certain translations I’ll do my best to help.

Although a discussing Dhamma translations can get difficult. For example, “will” is “volonté” in French; “volitional activities” is “des activités volontaires” and I have difficulty seeing a fundamental difference between the two. :slight_smile: Do they not imply “choices” for you?

(@moderators AI usage for accessibility is still allowed, yes? On est permit des utiliser traductions d’AI pour accessibilité, oui? )

(ps: All translations are mine / Tous les traductions le mien)

1 Like

Merci Dogen. Sans doute ne parviendrons-nous pas à un accord, car il est évident pour moi que choix ne convient pas du tout. Choix implique conscience, liberté, délibération, etc. Or, dans la C.C (D.O.) les sankhāna sont antérieurs a la consciences. Ils sont certes le résultats de choix, mais ne sont plus des choix au sens propre. Quoi qu’il en soit j’aimerais modifier mon post initial et je ne voit pas l’icône du petit stylo. Pouvez-vous m’expliquer comment faire. Les outils de traduction que j’ai utilisés ont déformé ma pensée dans un sens ultra déterministe qui n’est pas mon point de vue.

1 Like

Alain, may I just say thank you for the kind, respectful, and thoughtful way that you raised your questions. It is a pleasure to read your remarks. :pray:

3 Likes

J’ai expliqué dans une autre réponse que les formations volitionnelles (et non pas volonaires) sont des compositions de forces psychiques dues à des choix antérieurs, mais qu’elles ne peuvent, de ce fait, être nommées “choix”. Quand un fumeur décide de fumer une cigarette son choix n’en est pas vraiment un, son addiction a déjà décidé pour lui.

I explained in another reply that volitional (not volontary) formations are compositions of psychic forces due to previous choices, but that they cannot, therefore, be called “choices”. When a smoker decides to smoke a cigarette, his choice is not really a choice at all: his addiction has already decided for him.

1 Like

J’ai bien peur qu’il ne soit pas possible de modifier un message après un certain temps. :frowning:

I’m afraid it’s not possible to edit a post after some time has passed.

Comment réconciliez-vous ces vues avec ce que j’ai cité dans l’AN 3.61 et le MN 136, où il semble difficile de parler de quelque chose étant prédéterminé par des conditions ?

Summary

How do you reconcile these views with what I’ve quoted in An 3.61 and Mn 136, where it seems hard to talk about something being pre-determined by conditions?

Le Bouddha parle même du soi dans un sens conventionnel, comme dans tout un chapitre du Dhammapada, ainsi qu’à d’autres endroits. Cela ne signifie pas que le « soi » est une entité réelle, mais plutôt qu’il s’agit d’une convention utile pour certains processus. De la même manière, les choix peuvent être (en partie ou totalement) conditionnés ; mais souligner l’importance de l’autonomie me semble être un aspect crucial du chemin.

Je pense qu’une question de suivi serait : pourquoi les choix eux-mêmes ne seraient-ils pas conditionnés ? Ce n’est pas parce qu’il y a (l’apparence) d’un mécanisme de délibération, de choix, etc., que cela signifie qu’ils ne sont pas eux aussi conditionnés.

Summary

Buddha even talk about self in a conventional self, as an entire chapter in Dhammapada, as well as in other places. This doesn’t mean “self” is a real entity, but it’s a useful convention for certain processes. Likewise, choices might be (to a degree or completely) conditioned; but remarking on the importance of autonomy is a crucial part of the path, I’d think.

I think a follow up question would be - why would choices itself not be conditioned as well? Just because there’s the (appearance) of a mechanism of deliberance, choice, etc, shouldn’t mean they’re not conditioned as well.

Quoi qu’il en soit, c’est agréable de discuter respectueusement de ces sujets pour approfondir notre compréhension du Dhamma. :slight_smile:

All the same, it’s nice to respectfully discuss these matters to expand our understanding of Dhamma. :slight_smile:

2 Likes

Oui :slight_smile:

Salut Alain :wave:
Hopefully I understand your French reply correctly. (My written French is terrible so I will reply in English)

I just thought it is useful to point out that all 5 Khandas are conditioned. So just like lighting a cigarette is a heavily weighted and conditioned choice due to addiction, all of our choices are. We are not talking about free-wil, we are talking about conditioned will. The middle way between free-will (unlimited, unconditioned choice) and fate. I’ll borrow an example from a recent talk by Ajahn Brahmali… Even the choice to have a certain thing for breakfast is a ‘choice’. but if you were to go back and re-do the breakfast you had this morning you would make the same choice, because the same conditions were there. If different conditions were preceding that, then you would have made a different choice. You would say that you chose a piece of toast for breakfast, you wouldn’t say you had a volitional formation of toast! I mean, you could, but it is kind of the same thing and kind of a weird way to say it.

Similarly our saññā is conditioned. The way we perceive something comes from our previous experiences with whatever that thing was. Similarly even our vedana. One of the cool things about the arahant is that they are the master of their perceptions.

With regard to point 2. Deliberation and Intentionality. I think we still have a broader sense of intentionality. If we have the intention to keep the 5 precepts then we have limited our range of choices. We would be training our perceptions and choices to reflect those intentions. I remember training myself not to kill mosquitos, which is quite the quick reaction! Now, after many years, I had a large insect/arachnid land on my face in my sleep. It woke me up, but my instinctive reaction in the stunned half-awake state (based on trained intention) was to grab the insect very softly so as not to harm it and gently throw it on the floor next to my bed. This was a semi-automated process for sure, but it had a great deal of choice and intention behind it. I was amazed at how I reacted, but a little freaked out about a large critter landing on my face!

4 Likes