Rubber hand illusion

Can some one explain this in terms of the dhamma.

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Contact through the eye.

Maybe something regarding the mind made body? Maybe it’s knocked out of alignment with the actual body by the illusion?

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Interesting :thinking:

I think this is the self-view.
The ability to take external five aggregates as internal.
When we watch a movie we become part of the drama.
Buddha said that the consciousness as a magician’s trick and perception as a mirage.

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You mistake the hand for your own because you are possessive. You want to identify. You identify the hand as “your own”. You identify with the hand. The hand is your identity. When the hand is hurt, you are hurt, because you are the hand, because the hand is a “part of you”.

Furthermore, this identification is an “unconscious” process. We are not aware of the identification, otherwise, we would not identify with a substitute hand.

In other words, just “knowing” the hand isn’t a part of “you” is not enough.

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This is kind of scary. It seems the distinction what is us and what is external to us is a boundary created by the mind.

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Can you elaborate on that?

"Now suppose that a magician or magician’s apprentice were to display a magic trick at a major intersection, and a man with good eyesight were to see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him — seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it — it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a magic trick? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any consciousness that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him — seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it — it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in consciousness?

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.095.than.html

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And what, bhikkhus, is consciousness? There are these six classes of consciousness:
eye-consciousness,
ear-consciousness,
nose-consciousness,
tongue-consciousness,
body-consciousness,
mind-consciousness.
This is called consciousness. SN22.56

magician46

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Can you please share your own understanding of this. Because this seems consistent with a study i just read.

http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2014/11/19/1414936111.full.pdf

Significance:
Under normal circumstances we consciously attribute authorship of our actions to ourselves, the sensation of agency. We describe an experiment where participants observed a virtual human character speak and falsely attributed the speaking to themselves. They later shifted the FF of their own voice toward the stimulus voice. This only occurred when the life-sized VB(virtual body) substituted their own and moved with their own movements. A further contribution to the effect was vibrotactile stimulation on the thyroid cartilage synchronized with the speaking. A critical contributor is the illusion of ownership over the VB that spoke.

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Extremely scary - Everything that we perceive or conceive is mind-made… Every single thing is conditioned. But one can be comforted by realising no self :rofl::wink:

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I do not have my own experience excepts I see this operating in a very primitive level. When you attain higher Jhana you can experience this yourself.

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The Miracle of Psychic Power
"And what is the miracle of psychic power? There is the case where a monk wields manifold psychic powers. Having been one he becomes many; having been many he becomes one. He appears. He vanishes. He goes unimpeded through walls, ramparts, and mountains as if through space. He dives in and out of the earth as if it were water. He walks on water without sinking as if it were dry land. Sitting cross-legged he flies through the air like a winged bird. With his hand he touches and strokes even the sun and moon, so mighty and powerful. He exercises influence with his body even as far as the Brahma worlds.

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