Samahito vs Samadhi

@Brahmali

Bhante, would you say that the following is correct?

Samahito: Bring to composure
Samadhi: The result. The composure

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Samādhi is a particular state of deep meditation, like a jhāna. You could render it as ā€œcomposureā€, but to my mind this tends to understate the profundity of these states. I prefer ā€œstillnessā€.

Samāhito is related to samādhi, but is a past participles, meaning ā€œcomposedā€ or ā€œstilledā€ or ā€œimmersedā€, depending on your preference. It is typically used of the mind after you emerge from a state of samādhi. For instance, after you emerge from jhāna your mind is said to be samāhito, and therefore ready to recall your past lives, etc.

That’s what I would say! :slightly_smiling_face:

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Thank you sir,

I ask because I recall a sutta where, for householders, Buddha says that they have samahito, and is not without it. From that, then can do the six recollections.

Is there a different kind of Samadhi/samahito according to context; one for householders and one for those secluded from sensual pleasures?

How would you recommend a layperson of sensual pleasures ā€œbuild upā€ such a mind without having to become a Bhikku? :folded_hands:t5:

@Brahmali

The differences you ask about are grammatical. As the Venerable said above, one is the past participle of a verb (which functions as adjective), and one is a noun.

(Concentrated/ concentration, stilled/stillness, for example)

Usually one would use to the six recollections to achieve samādhi, that is, to make the mind samāhito, not the other way around. If you could find the sutta, it would make it easier for me to comment.

There are different samādhis depending on context, but by far the most important one is jhāna. It is the sammāsamādhi of the path, and it is mentioned about 1,000 times on the four main Nikāyas alone. As for the distinction between monastics and householders, the samādhi is the same. Even householders need to be secluded from sensual pleasures, at least temporarily, to achieve full samādhi.

Build up right view and kindness. These are the two foundations for meditation and therefore also samādhi. Ideally, you should have a mind of good will and compassion in whatever you do.

Good luck!

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Bhante @Brahmali

Here’s the sutta: SuttaCentral

It says the following:

The faithful succeed, not the faithless. The energetic succeed, not the lazy. The mindful succeed, not the unmindful. Those with immersion succeed, not those without immersion. The wise succeed, not the witless. When you’re grounded on these five things, go on to develop six further things.

It appears that a householder must have a stilled mind prior to development of the six further things which are the six recollections. However, when reading the recollection of the Buddha, I noticed that it says:

When they’re joyful, rapture springs up. When the mind is full of rapture, the body becomes tranquil. When the body is tranquil, they feel bliss. And when they’re blissful, the mind becomes immersed in samādhi

But wait, isn’t the householder’s mind already composed/stilled to even go further? Is the Buddha speaking of a different or deeper samadhi? Is there a difference between [Samadhi] and [Sammasammadhi]?

Interesting! I think there are a couple of ways of interpreting this. The most obvious one, I think, is to see

The faithful succeed, not the faithless. The energetic succeed, not the lazy. The mindful succeed, not the unmindful. Those with immersion succeed, not those without immersion. The wise succeed, not the witless.

as the five spiritual faculties. These are acquired at streamentry or perhaps when you reach the path to the realisation of streamentry. What this sutta is saying, then, is that you do the six recollections after you become a streamenterer. This is similar to what we see at AN 6.10, which also concerns Mahānāma, who in that sutta seems to be streamenterer.

This sequence of events makes sense because it is only the ariyas who have more or less automatic access to samādhi through these recollections. They know who the Buddha is, and likewise the Dhamma and the Sangha. And since they have perfected their sīla, they are able to recall it, as well as their generosity, to great effect.

Another possible interpretation is to see the list of five qualities as general qualities of any person who is practicing well. Based on these general qualities, you achieve any specific instance of samādhi through one or other of the six recollections.

Is this helpful?

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Hmmm. Okay.

Your answers are appreciative and arouses [in me] further investigation.

One final question for conclusion:

What would you say of one who’s practicing for stream-entry, or a faith-follower & Dhamma-Follower. Can they practice to [build] Samadhi, and then see its full fruit at stream-entry?

It appears that when it says ā€œThey are stilled. They don’t lack stillnessā€, I suppose that one[maybe a non-Ariya desiring to be one] can practice to develop it?

Sure!

Yes, but it can be lost again if you do not have the insight to support it, which is what the ariyas have.

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Ahhh okay, Bhante.. I understand. Thank you for this instruction.

Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu :folded_hands:t5: