What is the meaning of Nama in Nama Rupa?

[SarathW1]

In this case how do we know who leans against who?

[fabien.todescato]

@Maiev

just a phenomenon arisen like the sound from a musical instrument

Thanks for your most enlightening answer, @Maiev . By any chance, could you provide some reference/link to the above mentioned sutta ?

[Martin]

@Sylvester

But when one begins to meditate, it will become apparent that defining Form as materiality becomes very inadequate. How useful is “materiality” as a quality to describe the Form Aggregate that is the “form of what has arisen” (tathābhūtassa rūpaṃ), when the text is very clear that what has arisen (tathābhūta) is consciousness?

I think what we experience is derived form? Or should it be derived from form? Sights, sounds, sensations, flavours, odours etc.

[Sylvester]

Quite possibly.

But it does appear that the Primaries themselves are contactable, eg breath being classified under “wind”. But certainly, I would say that the length of a breath is very possibly not a Primary, but something derived.

[Martin]

What are we actually experiencing though? For example when walking by the sea I usually feel a slight pressure and coolness on my face, which I attribute to “wind”. Or when doing breathing meditation I feel sensations caused by the movement of my abdomen, or perhaps a slight sensation at my nostrils, both of which I attribute to “breathing”.

[alaber]

@tommit

“citta” is what you experience and “nama-rupa” is what is experienced

Has anybody come across a diagram (with overlappings) representing terms such as:

• namarupa
• citta
• the five kandhas

[Mat]

@alaber, hope this helps.

Process of perception.pdf (484.7 KB)

with metta

[alaber]

Many thanks, Mat.