What is Vitakka, Avitakka and Savitakka according to Sutta?
And what is their relation to Jhana?
I appreciate if you can explain this in both Sutta jhana (four fold) and Abhidhamm (five fold) formula.
AN 8.63 is the most clear of the EBT on this topic. (thereās not much else, other than MN 128)
Here, the case for metta is given. The other 7 cases use the same formula (4bv brahmavihara, 4 sp (satipatthana)).
3 very interesting features to note:
- The 4sp and 4bv are all explicitly called āsamadhiā.
- sÄta (satisfaction) is the equivalent of sukha in the 4j classification. Then you see how this 3 way samadhi maps into the 4 jhanas.
- later in the sutta, the Buddha says to do these 8 practices in all four postures for comfortable (phasu) abiding. This is a code phrase for saying, 4 jhanas can be done in all four postures, agreeing with AN 3.63, which coincidentally almost exactly the same number. The number three (3) is almost the same graphic image as the number (8) with a haircut.
(1. 4Bv #1: mettÄ me ceto-vimutti)
tato te,bhikkhu, evaį¹ sikkhitabbaį¹: |
āThen you should train yourself thus: |
āmettÄ me ceto-vimutti bhÄvitÄ |
āGood-will, as my awareness-release development, |
bhavissati |
(will be) developed, |
bahulÄ«-katÄ yÄnÄ«-katÄ |
Much-pursued, given a means of transport, |
vatthu-katÄ anuį¹-į¹hitÄ |
given a grounding, steadied, |
paricitÄ su-samÄraddhÄāti. |
consolidated, & well-undertaken.ā |
EvaƱhi te,bhikkhu, sikkhitabbaį¹. |
Thatās how you should train yourself. |
Yato kho te,bhikkhu, ayaį¹ samÄdhi evaį¹ bhÄvito hoti bahulÄ«kato, |
When you have developed this concentration in this way, |
tato tvaį¹,bhikkhu, |
then |
(combine that with 3-way samÄdhi)
(1) imaį¹ samÄdhiį¹ sa-vi-takkampi sa-vicÄraį¹ bhÄveyyÄsi, |
(1) this concentration with-directed-thought & with-evaluation (you should) develop, |
(2) a-vi-takkampi vicÄra-mattaį¹ bhÄveyyÄsi, |
(2) Without-directed-thought & a-modicum-of-evaluation (you should) develop, |
(3) a-vi-takkampi a-vicÄraį¹ bhÄveyyÄsi, |
(3) Without-directed-thought & wiithout-evaluation (you should) develop, |
Sap-pÄ«ti-kampi bhÄveyyÄsi, |
With-rapture (you should) develop, |
nip-pÄ«ti-kampi bhÄveyyÄsi, |
Without-rapture (you should) develop, |
sÄta-sahagatampi bhÄveyyÄsi, |
Endowed-with-satisfaction (you should) develop, |
upekkhÄ-sahagatampi bhÄveyyÄsi. |
Endowed-with-equanimity (you should) develop, |
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A very popular monk (Walasmulle Abhaya) in Sri Lanka teaches like this.
Is this incorrect?
It appears wrong. How do you rectify it?
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First Jhana = Savitakka (Vitakka), Savicara (vicara),Pithy,Sukaha,Ekagata
Second Jhana = Savitakka (avitakka), Savicara (avicara),Pithy,Sukaha,Ekagata
Third Jhana = Savitakka (avitakka), Savicara (avicara),Sukaha,Ekagata
Fourth Jhana = Savitakka (avitakka), Savicara (avicara),Ekagata
@frank
Can I say Savitakka and Vitakka are the same thing?