What kind of retribution or vipaka can one expect after one has killed about 2500 to 3000 red ants intentionally?

Hello everyone. I know that intentional killing of any small or large living being amounts to breaking of first precept of no killing among 5 precepts. As per teachings of Buddha, every kind of karma whether punna, papa, kusala or akusala will inevitably have its results. So now I did a deed of killing these many ants as they were swarming through my area of sleeping. I actually always sleep on floor on mattress only(just like on uposatha days we sleep on lower place as we take precept of avoiding high and comfortable seats for seating as well as sleeping). So I was scared of them as those were red ants. Although it was possible for me to just use broom and wipe them outside the house as I usually do but still I used a special chalk which kills them which I know I shouldn’t have but now I have done it very regretfully and yes intentionally. They had formed line to our dust bin area but through my place of sleeping. I am feeling so much regret and fear now.

So my question is what kind of karmic retribution can one(I) have after killing intentionally about 2500 to 3000(I counted their dead bodies roughly) red ants?

I know knowing this perfectly is possible for buddha only but based on the teachings can we guess?Is it some kind of illness or injury or something like that? Is there any sutta which discusses anything related to this? Or is hould just forget thinking about this and let it go because nothing can be done now? I feeling worried after doing this bad deed because I know retribution will be there someday, today or tomorrow. Thank you very much for giving your time. :pray:

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No. Suttas like AN 3.100 make it clear that the same action can have different consequences for different people.

This is based on the person’s other merits, so the best thing to do is to make as much wholesome karma as you can going forward in order to dilute the bad :blush:

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Wow venerable thank you for the reply. I just read that sutta. It is really eye opening and encourages one to be of limitless or of very high virtues/kusal kammas so that one will experience his vipaka for bad deeds right here and right now. So it is possible to reduce the amount of suffering I mean like increasing the water in our river so that minor amount of salt won’t make it undrinkable! Thank you very much sir! :pray::pray::pray:

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Hi @Saurabh :slight_smile:

First, I applaud your confession and honesty. You did something unwholesome, and you recognized that. You aren’t shrugging it off or pretending what you did was alright. You have acknowledged your mistake as a mistake, and you have brought it up to others to learn how you can make amends and grow. When people would confess mistakes to the Buddha, he would tell them:

“Indeed you made a mistake. But since you have recognized your mistake for what it is, and have dealt with it properly, I accept it. For it is growth in the training of the Noble One to recognize a mistake for what it is, deal with it properly, and commit to restraint in the future.”

So you have grown already from that experience! Now, you have so many beautiful practices you can do to grow even more. Part of growing is learning from the mistakes we make. The first step is, as it says above, to commit to restraint in the future. If you commit not to do something like that again, the Buddha would have accepted your confession and moved on! :slight_smile:

Look at what you can do to prevent that situation from arising again. How can you change your mind states and habits so that if ants invade again, you will react non-violently? And how can you maybe rearrange things so everyone involved is less likely to end up in a harmful situation in the first place? Practice is not just cultivating good things or removing bad ones, but also preventing unarisen unwholesome things and growing the good that is already present.

Recognizing the unwholesome as unwholesome is wisdom. Committing to restraint is virtue. And of course, you can practice lots of mettā meditation to expand your mind and work on uprooting the reaction of anger so that it is unable to arise when a difficult situation presents itself. These reactions are conditioned, so given the conditions we have cultivated, our reactions will naturally follow. That is grounds both for forgiving ourselves and for diligence and heedfulness in guarding the mind so that it doesn’t tend towards unwholesome action. Another thing that could be helpful to ease your mind and fortify your practice is to commit to taking the five precepts every day, reflecting on the wonderful benefits you and other beings receive from upholding ethical principles.

It’s also important to forgive yourself. Once you recognize a mistake, make amends, and commit to restraint, then you don’t need to wallow in it. Remember that emotions like self-hatred, guilt, etc. are unwholesome too and rooted in selfishness. Many people recognize the conceit of superiority and arrogance as unwholesome, but have arrogance in a different way: they think they’re the best at being the worst, or that they’re especially bad. Those are also unwholesome conceits; you don’t need to entertain those thoughts. What’s done is done. Now you can do good things.

You can learn from mistakes. But you also can learn so much from doing good things in the present. That is all you can work on now, so that is all you need to concern yourself with. Rumination and guilt will only be limiting your ability to move forward. Even if you commit to maintain the principle of non-killing for one day, you can rejoice and recollect the wonderful deeds you are doing! So many people wouldn’t take the precept at all! So don’t take for granted how amazing the ethical commitments we make are! You’re a great person if you feel that killing ants is a mistake and want to prevent yourself from doing it again.

You also shouldn’t cultivate unhealthy fear or paranoia. It’s good to recognize the danger of unwholesome action and not want to commit it. But we also have the reflection on equanimity: we will experience the results of our karma just like everyone else. We have committed so many good and bad actions in the past. At any moment, we might experience wonderful, pleasant things or horrible, painful things. But our response to a situation, with fear or aversion, or with equanimity and peace, is also creating karma. The correct karma is not to cultivate fear, but equanimity and balance. Accept that all you can do is make your heart pure and protect it from what is unskillful. With a pure heart, you will be able to face even difficult experiences with peace and calm.

By doing all of these things, you will be able to cultivate purity and fearlessness in the present, and your past deeds will not matter. It doesn’t matter what the retribution would be, because what you need to worry about is your reactions, not the details of the experience! Ideally, you want to get to a place where your past bad deeds seem foreign, that you would naturally not commit them and recognize the unwholesome, but don’t feel personal guilt. Don’t worry, everything should be fine! Just do good. :slight_smile:

This is a long response, but I hope it is helpful. These types of situations are great opportunities to learn on a deeper level about virtue and forgiveness.

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One of my favorite suttas is SN42.8, where first the Buddha explains the difference of what a Jain teacher and he himself teach about making mistakes, and it says:

Reflecting like this, they give up killing living creatures, and in future they don’t kill living creatures. That’s how to give up this bad deed and get past it.

And after having established a firm foundation in ethics in this way, the Buddha moves on to teaching metta meditation (and the other brahmaviharas):

That noble disciple is rid of desire, rid of ill will, unconfused, aware, and mindful. They meditate spreading a heart full of love to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of love to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.

Suppose there was a powerful horn blower. They’d easily make themselves heard in the four quarters. In the same way, when the heart’s release by love has been developed and cultivated like this, any limited deeds they’ve done don’t remain or persist there.

:heart:

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@Vaddha Thank you sir for such a detailed and straight from the heart response! I got your point. I should not keep thinking about that, rather should vow to not do that again. It’s very tough to actually follow precepts even if we try to remain conscious of all the actions in a day. I guess one just have to keep on trying and trying until one’s practice becomes spontaneously noble. Equanimity, yes I am trying to understand it.

Thank you for giving your time, I actually had to read your response twice to get it completely. Really appreciate it sir! :pray:

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Thank you venerable for referencing sutta.
“Don’t remain or persist there”, does that mean those(limited) deeds vanish away because of purity of heart full of love?
In any case this is very wonderful thing, this is actually part of my daily morning routine. I alwaysss get goosebumps (in a good way) while doing (or trying to do) metta meditation.

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Consistent goosebumps Sahdu!

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That’s what it sounds like, yes. But it also says, “when the heart’s release by love has been developed and cultivated like this”, and I think that means quite a lot of development! We are on the way … :heart: :slightly_smiling_face:

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