Where does Vitakka and Vicara fitting to Dependent Origination?
Is that after contact (Phasso)?
If you do not have Vitakka and Vicara, will there be vedana?
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In the context of DO, they fit into the āNameā from āName&formā
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Does this mean there is no Vedana in second Jhana? (ie: free from Vitakka and Vicara)
Vitakka and vicara is fitting into to Dependent Origination at sankhara (2nd condition).
The sankhara is defined as the kaya, vaci & citta sankhara (SN 12.2).
Katamekatama, bhikkhave, saį¹ khÄrÄ? Tayome, bhikkhave, saį¹ khÄrÄākÄyasaį¹ khÄro, vacÄ«saį¹ khÄro, cittasaį¹ khÄro. Ime vuccanti, bhikkhave, saį¹ khÄrÄ.
The āvaci sankharaā is defined as āvitakka and vicaraā (in MN 44).
AssÄsapassÄsÄassÄsa kho, Ävuso visÄkha, kÄyasaį¹ khÄro, vitakkavicÄrÄ vacÄ«saį¹ khÄro, saĆ±Ć±Ä ca vedanÄ ca cittasaį¹ khÄro
The common translation of āvolitional formationsā is obviously a mistake.
When distracting thoughts (such as described in MN 20 VitakkaĀsaį¹į¹hÄna Sutta) pop into the mind (nama) when meditating, these are the vitakka & vicara produced unvolitionally from ignorance.
As for the vitakka & vicara of jhana, if it is not tainted by ignorance, it does not arise at sankhara.
The vitakka & vicara of jhana, if it is not tainted by ignorance & if arising from the noble eightfold path, is not related to dependent origination because dependent origination is called the āwrong pathā (refer to SN 12.3).
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