AI-14: Will AI prevent climate collapse?

The year past has seen the most unbelievable acceleration in global warming ever recorded, one that has sent climate scientists reeling. Scientists are divided between those who see this as a bad, but expected, short-term fluctuation, and those who see it as a breaking point, a sign that our historical models are failing to adequately capture our present and our future. In the March 2024 paper, Global Warming Acceleration: Hope vs Hopium, James Hansen, Makiko Sato, and Pushker Kharecha argue that the acceleration is genuine:

Accumulating evidence supports the interpretation in our Pipeline paper: decreasing human-made aerosols increased Earth’s energy imbalance and accelerated global warming in the past decade. Climate sensitivity and aerosol forcing, physically independent quantities, were tied together by United Nations IPCC climate assessments that rely excessively on global climate models (GCMs) and fail to measure climate forcing by aerosols. IPCC’s best estimates for climate sensitivity and aerosol forcing both understate reality. Preservation of global shorelines and global climate patterns – the world humanity is adapted to – likely will require at least partly reversing global warming.

The global atmospheric CO2 for March 2024 is 425.38 ppm, an astonishing 4.39 ppm increase over the same time last year. I’m not going to even try to document the thousands of temperature records falling around the globe. Suffice to say that we are already pushing at the 1.5C threshold that we were supposed to meet in the 30s.

Now, one persistent claim of the AI advocates is that it will solve climate change. Countless articles tell you this.

There is no doubt investment in AI by sincere people who genuinely believe that it will help. But what if we focus on the chief leaders of the movement, those who direct the industry? Their desires are not your desires. Those who adhere to the philosophies known as “accelerationism” and “longtermism”, which are highly influential in AI circles, genuinely don’t care about climate collapse, because for them it is not an existential risk. In almost every climate collapse scenario, humanity in some form will survive, so for them this doesn’t rate beside the true threats, AI itself at the top of them. So if we have to drive our world through climate collapse to reach the glorious future promised by genuine AGI, it’s more than worth it.

Meanwhile, fossil fuel companies are massively investing in AI to drive extraction and profits. This is being enabled by Microsoft, Google, all the usual suspects. The Financial Times reports that the “AI revolution will be boon for natural gas, say fossil fuel bosses”.

The immediate problem is that these models take a vast amount of energy to run. How much, exactly? Once again, we find that, for all their promises of digital upotias of perfect knowledge and infinite data, the companies are shy about telling us any actual figures. In 2024, the IEA forecasts that:

Electricity consumption from data centres, artificial intelligence (AI) and the cryptocurrency sector could double by 2026. … This demand is roughly equivalent to the electricity consumption of Japan.

These systems are creating a cascading waterfall of damage, so it is hard to keep up. Many articles are recorded in the curated list at this link, of which these are just a few. According to the BBC, the CEO of Britain’s National Grid predicts that data center power usage over a decade will expand sixfold. Such centers use massive amounts of water, which is sometimes pulled from the desert. Environmental harms are outsourced to poor countries. An MIT report emphasizes the multi-dimensional environmental harms of the AI datacenters, which include the dirty energy used for running them, the materials for building, the water, the noise, and the waste.

Data is matter in motion, and it is moved by energy.

Defenders argue that AI’s usage is only a negligible percentage of total energy usage. It’s an unserious argument. Energy usage is already too great and growing, and as a result, global atmospheric CO2 growth is accelerating. We’re going the wrong way. We need to stop doing the things we are already doing, not add yet another whole new industry.

AI applications are typically more energy intensive than the conventional means they replace. From Vox:

According to the IEA, a single Google search takes 0.3 watt-hours of electricity, while a ChatGPT request takes 2.9 watt-hours. (An incandescent light bulb draws an average of 60 watt-hours of juice.) If ChatGPT were integrated into the 9 billion searches done each day, the IEA says, the electricity demand would increase by 10 terawatt-hours a year—the amount consumed by about 1.5 million European Union residents.

We’re going the wrong way.

But this is just the beginning. An incisive analysis by Paul SchĂźtze shows how the realities of AI harm go far beyond energy usage:

AI futurism constitutes a mode of societal organization which hides the global material realities of actually-existing AI capitalism behind the curtain of promising projections

While AI has yet to fulfill its promise of solving climate change, it turns out to be great at spreading harmful climate disinformation.

But the fundamental problem lies in the very prosperity that AI promises. CO2e emissions are driven by economic growth. If, as AI acolytes continually promise, AI creates a world of abundance for all, that abundance is going to kill us. They have no plan for this. They just imagine that their machines will solve all the problems. Either we’ll magick up infinite energy or we’ll settle the stars before it all goes belly up.

We’re going the wrong way.

At a bare minimum, AI clients should be required by law to disclose their energy usage. This should contain three details:

  • The total energy use of the project
  • The human equivalent (eg. “equivalent to the electricity usage of 1.5 million EU residents”)
  • The amount used for each operation compared to a conventional application.
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I notice that most of the ways (listed in your link) that AI can combat climate change is by doing things more efficiently. Interestingly, efficiency has often led not to savings in energy but in increases in usage.

As an aside, of all the ideas out there about AI, the idea that AI will help us with climate change seems the most ludicrous. Climate Change isn’t a pure technical problem, requiring more efficient routing of shipping containers and whatnot. It is a fundamental question of what we value as a society, and if we value a livable planet the solution has to be to a large part (if not wholly) political. We need to make different choices, not make the same choices more efficiently through AI.

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A.I. will probably make climate change worse.

I’ve seen headlines that A.I. requires much more energy.

More energy, more pollution.

Sadly the additional power requirements for A.I. is starting to be used as a rationale for advocating new nuclear power plants. Poisons with a half life for 10,000 years. Potential military and terrorist targets.

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Right, exactly.

:pray:

Indeed. There is literally no limit to what they want to consume, up to and including trapping the entire energy of stars for powering galactic computers running AI.

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When it comes down to it, all I see is the drive for money and financial, material gain driving these models and prospects. It’s what is at the root of all evil people’s confusion in life, a painful regression. Sorry that was so bluntly put, but it is the lust for money that degenerates a society the most, and if we do not do away with that, society will perish. AI can be good, or AI can be bad, but as long as the product is driven for financial gain, doom spells the outcome. Namaste.

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Not always. About 3 days ago I noticed my kitchen went dark. I first thought it was a power failure, but everything else worked. Turned out one of the first CFL bulbs I bought about 20 years ago had finally expired. I didn’t use the lights in my kitchen more because of it, but I saved a lot of electricity.

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I’m sure you did, but this just illustrates the point. Here’s the global figures from the IEA over the period 2010 to 2022, during which there was a massive shift towards more efficient LED lighting.

As you can see, there’s been basically no change in the electricity usage for lighting. LEDs are more efficient, which means people use more of them, which of course creates greater light pollution.

The tendency is not towards overall reduction, but to growing corporate use as the residential use shrinks.

This pattern is well known, and is a deliberate strategy of corporations. Because you see that your usage has reduced, you infer that this is a broader pattern, and when you see offices and factories with LEDs you assume they are reducing energy usage too. But they’re expanding it, taking up the slack that you are allowing them.

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Those CFL rarely lasted that long. And in older houses where the wiring was bad they would blow even more often. I can’t even count how many I have seen blown in the various monasteries I have lived in.

As well, their widespread use forced a change in the power grid itself because of the ways CFLs draw power. And now we are ditching CFLs for LEDs.

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Eh, I have other CFLs from that original batch still going. I bought that batch 20 years ago and all of the locations I lived in while using them have been built in the 1950s.

A nuclear reactor at the notorious Three Mile Island site in Pennsylvania is to be activated for the first time in five years after its owners, Constellation Energy, struck a deal to provide power to Microsoft’s proliferating artificial intelligence operations.

As part of the agreement, Three Mile Island will also be renamed the Crane Clean Energy Center to recognize Chris Crane, the former chief executive of Constellation’s parent company.

Of course it will, lol.

Tech giants including Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta and Apple are consuming ever-greater amounts of energy to power the boom in artificial intelligence. According to Goldman Sachs, demand will grow 160% by 2030, when data centers are expected to account for 8% of the power generated in the US.

With the spike in demand, however, comes rising concerns over the impact on the environment. An analysis by the Guardian published this week found that data center emissions of four of the biggest tech companies, Google, Microsoft, Meta and Apple, are probably about 662% – or 7.62 times – higher than officially reported.

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Thanks for posting this. It seems the environmental impact of AI, which was always going to be huge, is even bigger than forecast.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/us-natural-gas-power-plants-just-keep-coming-to-meet-ai-ev-electricity-demand

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I wonder what CO2 have to do with thousands of military flights weaving a meshy greenhouse of homogenitus cirrus at low alitude. Chances are that thanks to AI, we will go from mere smartdust to inteligentdust, which does not sounds that promising.

WMO: Aircraft condensation trails that have persisted for at least 10 minutes will be given the name of the genus, Cirrus, followed only by the special cloud name “homogenitus”

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The nuclear power debate online is dominated by pro-nuclear energy people. People with careers and jobs affiliated with the industry. Other STEM professionals who happen to be “fanboys”. Scifi fans getting excited about an element of their fantasy worlds coming into reality.

If you bring up nuclear accidents, sabotage/terrorism/war, or that nuclear waste is a poison for over 10,000 years you get pounced on.

You also get mockingly asked where the copious amounts of electricity needed will come from.

A web site with authoritative sources that answer all of those talking points would be extremely useful.

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/s, obviously.

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This satire brings it all home, especially for people who get distracted with data points.

We know you adopted energy-saving practices to help conserve our planet’s resources and bring down our collective carbon footprint, but what you ultimately accomplished is just as important: helping AI do something menial and stupid. We hope seeing how much energy AI needlessly and uninhibitedly consumes inspires you to continue implementing practices that make your life incrementally more difficult during the hottest months of the year.

The Washington Post recently started a non-geek-friendly data cruncher series on the impact of AI on the environment. They do it via points-in-time scenarios like this one. They use illustrations. (Nope, they’re not the New York Times competition anymore!)

It’s the incongruous intentions of well-meaning first-world citizens to assuage their conscience. It’s easier to do clunky, physical things to conserve energy than it is to curb the appetite for AI-generated content. Well, IMO. That’s what the average human is up against.

:pray: :elephant: :sunglasses:

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Pass the Carbon tax.

Corporations only speak money. If environmental impacts come with no price tags attached, they’re invisible to the market. Simple as that.

Unfortunately, most government action these days is still going in the wrong direction: with many governments e.g. keeping insurance rates low in flood areas or subsidizing (!) oil and gas…

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Tweet by user Tsarathustra:

Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt says energy demand for AI is infinite and we are never going to meet our climate goals anyway, so we may as well bet on building AI to solve the problem.

One point of detail: Schmidt says that the US emissions of the “bad kind” of CO2, whatever that is, are in decline. This is misleading: it excludes the CO2 emissions from consumption, basically the fact that the US has outsourced its industry to China, etc. Consumption-based CO2 emissions have been fairly static in the US.

The other reason is the shift from coal to methane for energy production under the now-discredited idea that methane is less harmful. Measurement of methane is notoriously difficult and has been systematically obfuscated by the energy industry.

But recent data shows the US continuing to increase.

As is the rest of the world.

Even as the harms of methane emission come into clearer focus.

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