Can one do vippassana and attain enlightenment while In access-jhana?

Whatever your claim is please back it up with a visuddhimagga quote, it would be better if you can provide the quote in pali too

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Of course you can quote suttas afterall this is an ebt forum but please attach a visuddhimagga quote too since access-jhana is a visuddhimagga term

If you prefer Visuddhimagga method, you can read the English translation here:

And study it for yourself

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The misconception that access concentration is not in the suttas is due to the learner overestimating their position and not knowing that the Buddha usually did not provide information at the beginner level and entrusted that duty to others:

This sutta is delivered by a nun to a layperson (her former husband) so is appropriate to western practitioner level. It refers to initial concentration which is then developed:

“Now what is concentration, lady, what qualities are its themes, what qualities are its requisites, and what is its development?”

“Singleness of mind is concentration, friend Visakha; the four frames of reference are its themes; the four right exertions are its requisites; and any cultivation, development, & pursuit of these qualities is its development.”—MN 44

This advice delivered by the Buddha to a layperson includes a preliminary level of samadhi:

“At any time when a disciple of the noble ones is recollecting the Dhamma, his mind is not overcome with passion, not overcome with aversion, not overcome with delusion. His mind heads straight, based on the Dhamma. And when the mind is headed straight, the disciple of the noble ones gains a sense of the goal, gains a sense of the Dhamma, gains joy connected with the Dhamma. In one who is joyful, rapture arises. In one who is rapturous, the body grows calm. One whose body is calmed experiences ease. In one at ease, the mind becomes concentrated.”—AN 11.12

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Visuddhimagga is made not from The Buddha own words. It is a book made by a scholar in 5 th Century, almost 1000 years after The Buddha parinibbana. It is said The Buddha’s teaching but I am sure, is not 100%, mostly are The Buddha + the Author personal opinion. He was a philosopher, a comentator and a translator. So, why not back it up with The Buddha’s own word?

It would be a mistake to think the Visuddhimagga is the opinion of one man. Ven. Buddhaghosa relied heavily on the commentaries, quotes extensively from the Paṭisambhidāmagga and incorporates what is found in the Abhidhamma texts. Only occasionally does he state his own opinion. Have you read the Visuddhimagga yourself, out of interest?


Correct, yet it is produced based on commentaries and that means a lot of authors opinions was introduced. And due to time lapse, to many personal opinions included.

Are we sure it is 100%, what The Buddha’s taught? Or it just a sectarian based opinion?

I wouldn’t call it an “opinion”. It’s the end product (ignoring the sub-commentaries for a moment) of a long process of one early Buddhist school’s scholastic attempt at trying to figure out what the Buddha taught, based on the texts they had. Given some of the major heresies we see in the other traditions it seems Ven. Buddhaghosa, the commentaries and Theravāda in general didn’t do too bad. Regardless, I would always be wary of “this is true, everything else is worthless” until the Dhamma is directly known for oneself.


The Commentaries and the Visuddhimagga do contain later developments. However, since the Visuddhimagga documents the meditative practice and experience of many ancient practitioners, I think it is a valuable resource.
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