Does the final nirvana change from moment to moment?

Hi.

I believe that once we have reached final nirvana, we cannot fall back into samsara. But is final nirvana something that is born and dies every moment? Or is it something eternal?
I know we can’t really describe nirvana with words, but I guess we can get a very small approximation of it.

Thanks in advance

No, the unconditioned is opposite samsara, having no cyclic characteristic ( “neither passing away nor arising”—Udana 8.1). It is similarly referred to as the unconditioned element, which means it is classified according with earth, water, fire, and air, space, consciousness, but the opposite of them. There should be a division of realities between conditioned and unconditioned:

“There is the case, monk, where a monk has heard, ‘All things are unworthy of attachment.’ Having heard that all things are unworthy of attachment, he directly knows every thing. Directly knowing every thing, he comprehends every thing. Comprehending every thing, he sees all themes[2] as something separate. [3]”—Samyutta Nikaya 35.80

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It depends upon if you think nibbāna is a thing or not. Is it something we contact or enter into, or is it simply a truth that we realise? In other words is nibbāna ontological or more epistemological in nature? Buddhists have been split on this issue for centuries.

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No…

Buddha given the definition of " extinguished - element (Nirvana-Element) "…that

  1. Ending (no more) of Lust.
  2. Ending (no more) of Angry
  3. Ending (no more) of Delusion

All these we(as that element) can feel it … and Buddha called it as " Nirvana "

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Practically speaking it’s necessary to have a mental category for the unconditioned, since it should be separated from the conditioned. From the earliest stage every step on the path is orienting the mind towards nibbana, and should be recognized as such. That principle is unambiguously stated in Majhima Nikaya 121:

This mode of perception is empty of the perception of human being. There is only this non-emptiness: the singleness based on the perception of wilderness.’ Thus he regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, he discerns as present: ‘There is this.’ And so this, his entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, & pure."

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@DeadBuddha

The most phenomological and/or practical explanation of Nibbana I’ve seen in the suttas is this

“One perception arose in me and another perception ceased: ‘The cessation of continued existence is extinguishment. The cessation of continued existence is extinguishment.’ Suppose there was a burning pile of twigs. One flame would arise and another would cease. In the same way, one perception arose in me and another perception ceased: ‘The cessation of continued existence is extinguishment. The cessation of continued existence is extinguishment.’ At that time I perceived that the cessation of continued existence is extinguishment.”

AN 10.7

So it seems one has a final perception of bhava ceasing before the realization of nibbana, that’s how they know they’ve attained nibbana.

I’m guessing that perception also eventually ceases and no new perceptions arise. Explained in experiential/phenomological terms Nibbana is a negative experience, something is taken away, and this is new and unique. Just like you can see a footprint from what was once there, you can see Nibbana from what was once there and that is Bhava, Craving, 3 poisons, etc. no longer being present.

Nibbana isn’t something that is added to experience, it’s the removal of something that once was, just like a footprint is the removal of a foot.

So yes, you could say it’s eternal because bhava and the 3 poisons are never coming back.

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Thanks to all! So if I understood correctly, not only is nirvana eternal, but it is not reborn at every moment: it is outside of ordinary time.

This seems to imply that it is wrong to say that “Buddhism says that everything is impermanent”. Indeed, even if samsara is impermanent, nirvana is not. On the contrary, because nirvana is the ultimate reality, and therefore the ultimate reality is permanent. There is indeed eternity.
Is that right?

It’s not “all things are impermanent”. It’s “all conditions are impermanent”.

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