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After a thorough sanitizing of my German rendering of a few inconsistent passages I have now made the following:
We may wish to re-examine the example “disciples don’t want to listen”. The top result is MN137, which is really about the six sense fields. Also, “disciples don’t want to listen” ignores SN20.7, which has an important warning.
Suggest we replace “disciples don’t want to listen” with:
I am not sure why you would like to get rid of that one. As far as I remember, it has been added to point to Suttas that describe the qualities of teachers. The other ones you suggest don’t do that (at a very quick check, at least).
Would like to chat?
Yes, let us chat, please.
Added as per our chat:
I am having trouble for the “sense field” ones for German. Is there a way to express (with Regex) that I want either “innere Sinnesfelder” or “inneren Sinnesfelder”, but nothing else—not “innere… and a whole bunch of other stuff …Sinnesfelder”? Unless we find such a way, these examples won’t really work for German.
I am also a bit hesitant about “will want to listen” because that phrase ends in “worth learning and memorizing”, which is already an example. Next to the two Suttas returned by “will want to listen” it still has a third one, AN2.42-51. Would like to hear your thoughts on this.
We need to well remember this remarkable warning:
SN20.7:2.1: But when discourses composed by poets—poetry, with fancy words and phrases, composed by outsiders or spoken by disciples—are being recited they will want to listen. They’ll pay attention and apply their minds to understand them, and they’ll think those teachings are worth learning and memorizing.
SN20.7:2.2: And that is how the discourses spoken by the Realized One—deep, profound, transcendent, dealing with emptiness—will disappear.
It is happening right now in this time and we are ignoring the warning.
I am not sure what this means in terms of examples …?
It means that if we omit “will want to listen”, we are ignoring the Buddha’s warning unless we provide a better example.
Do you have a better example than “will want to listen” ?
My question was: Is “worth learning and memorizing” not good enough? We have that example already. And it returns one Sutta more than “will want to listen”. This extra Sutta is:
AN2.47:1.5
It is an assembly where, when discourses spoken by the Realized One—deep, profound, transcendent, dealing with emptiness—are being recited the mendicants do not want to listen. They don’t pay attention or apply their minds to understand them, nor do they think those teachings are worth learning and memorizing.AN2.47:1.6
But when discourses composed by poets—poetry, with fancy words and phrases, composed by outsiders or spoken by disciples—are being recited the mendicants do want to listen. They pay attention and apply their minds to understand them, and they think those teachings are worth learning and memorizing. But when they’ve learned those teachings they don’t question or examine each other, saying:AN2.47:1.7
‘Why does it say this? What does that mean?’AN2.47:1.8
So they don’t clarify what is unclear, or reveal what is obscure, or dispel doubt regarding the many doubtful matters.
Ah. 
This is indeed an interesting question…
The thing about “worth learning and memorizing” is that it is about proper attention and unskillful assemblies.
The danger brought out in AN20.7 is different. The specific danger of AN20.7 is that if we insist on embellishing the suttas with our own interpretations, no matter how truthful, we will destroy the Dhamma by grasping at our own proliferations. I’ve always had this nagging feeling that I could not express. And AN20.7 expresses that nagging feeling beautifully.
It’s SN20.7, not AN20.7. And it is just as well returned by “worth learning and memorizing”. The Sutta I just quoted is the one that is returned on top of what is returned by “will want to listen”.
The trouble I see is not with the search results (yay, three!), but with the wording of the example itself. Perhaps “worth learning and memorizing” is not a good example because the “the mendicants do want to listen”, but they listen to the wrong thing. So I would replace “worth learning and memorizing” with “fancy words”. The Buddha spoke simply and some people think fancy words are worth learning and memorizing.
Perhaps we should chat again? It’s just too much to type …
Now we also have a German translation of SN 20.7, the drum peg Sutta (to come
to Dhammaregen soon). And there is also an interesting comment on it (as we talked of comments yesterday, @karl_lew). In any case for translators, it’s very helpful.
Yes. Drums arouse energy. As in cittakkharā, which is actually not present in Bhante’s translation. If we wish to include the sense of that term it would alter the translation from “fancy/schoen” to “stirring/rührende”. This is the stronger translation. We go to plays and movies to listen to “stirring words”. Indeed, it is different enough from fancy that we might consider it further, especially since it ties in with drums. Drums are used precisely because they stir up energy in times of war. Drums rouse energy. Drums stir feelings. So one might also use “rousing words”. That would be “mitreißende Worte”.
Thanks for doing translation work for me! 
Sometimes your suggestions are really good! 
Here are the Pali words that make up this compound:
So we have cittakkharā cittabyañjanā = fancy words and phrases.
But we do not have:
And that is the stirring, rousing sound of a drum, as in “stirring and fancy words”
I mean, “fancy” is fine and well understood. The Pali is richer, and that is why I listen to the Pali.
Yes, I too was thinking like this first. But the lookup tool is sometimes wrong in how it breaks down a compound. The double “k” should make you suspicious. There is no reason to double the “k”, if it’s just citta + khara. So in such cases I start searching and playing around until I find something reasonable. Sometimes I don’t, but in this case I did.