MN 18 Madhupindika Sutta

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I like this sutta as this adds another variation to Dependent Origination.
Many of us wonder why perception is not included in DO and this sutta provide the answer to it.
It also provides how Vitakka and Vicara which is relavant to Jahana a part of DO.
Another important point is it shows how the objectification take place using DO.

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"Now, when there is the eye, when there are forms, when there is eye-consciousness, it is possible that one will delineate a delineation of contact.[1] When there is a delineation of contact, it is possible that one will delineate a delineation of feeling. When there is a delineation of feeling, it is possible that one will delineate a delineation of perception. When there is a delineation of perception, it is possible that one will delineate a delineation of thinking. When there is a delineation of thinking, it is possible that one will delineate a delineation of being assailed by the perceptions & categories of objectification.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ā€¦ .than.html

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This situation occurs: that when there is eye, your reverences, when there is material shape, when there is visual consciousness, one will recognise the manifestation of sensory impingement.

This situation occurs: that when there is the manifestation of sensory impingement, one will recognise the manifestation of feeling.

This situation occurs: that when there is the manifestation of feeling, one will recognise the manifestation of perception.

This situation occurs: that when there is the manifestation of perception, one will recognise the manifestation of reasoning.

This situation occurs: that when there is the manifestation of reasoning, one will recognise the manifestation of the assault of a number of obsessions and perceptions.

2

What is the difference between thinking and the the perceptions & categories of objectification.

3

One see color & shape (perception), one think ā€œitā€™s a cookieā€, one diversify ā€œI want this cookie, how do I get this cookie, this cookie is mineā€. All this diversified thoughts (could) lead to conflict.

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"If, monk, with regard to the cause whereby the perceptions & categories of objectification assail a person, there is nothing there to relish, welcome, or remain fastened to, then that is the end of the obsessions of passion, the obsessions of resistance, the obsessions of views, the obsessions of uncertainty, the obsessions of conceit, the obsessions of passion for becoming, & the obsessions of ignorance.

the cause whereby the perceptions & categories of objectification assail a person

The six senses (?)

nothing there to relish, welcome, or remain fastened to

Detachment (?)

the end of the obsessions of passion, the obsessions of resistance, the obsessions of views, the obsessions of uncertainty, the obsessions of conceit, the obsessions of passion for becoming, & the obsessions of ignorance

Nibbana (?)

5

I think this is referring to papaƱca.
If that is the case where it fitting to Dependent Origination.

6

Is there papanca in the paticca-samuppada?

7

No.
But it must be a part of DO somewhere.

8

It is possible that papanca = avijja. Because of delusion in perceiving the realities one obsess over things.

9

I think it is more close to Upathdana.

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The Commentaries state that the sources of mental proliferation are threefold, namely, craving
(tanhā), views (dithi) and conceit (māna).

http://dharmafarer.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/6.14-Madhupindika-S-m18-piya.pdf

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