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#1

While we’re discussing vedana, I have a question. Is it something which persists over time (like the unpleasant bodily sensation of a toothache for example), or is it really a momentary event (more like a reaction) which arises with each instance of vinnana/sanna, or with each occurence of phassa?
Or perhaps it persists, but changes over time?


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#2

@martin I have moved this question to its own prominence to allow the thread you asked it in to concentrate on the translation issues. :slightly_smiling_face:


#3

Doesn’t our perception of this vary depending on the circumstances? E.g. if we watch sitting pain closely when meditating we see it changing, breaking up. etc; the feeling tone associated with each shift doesn’t have to be the same. I’m sure there are lots of suttas on aniccā to search through on this.


#4

I don’t see why it cannot be all three of these options you give, depending on the causes and conditions of the particular situation.


#5

It could be, but I was thinking of how vinnana, sanna and vedana are said to be “conjoined”, suggesting that they arise together, as part of an event or instance, resulting from phassa.


#6

Sure, but that event or instance could last for a long time or for a short while.

Remember, the idea of “mind moments” or “momentariness” is a later invention and not something which is taught in the suttas. So mental events could last for a short moment or for some time, and it makes intuitive sense too. Sometimes we experience a painful feeling for a long time (like chronic pain), and sometimes a feeling is momentary, comes and goes in an instant.