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On a couple of supposed Vinaya rules regarding monks and women and trans people


#47

If you have these qualities in yourself you might perhaps rethink your criticism me for being harsh? Afterall, it’s a difficult position to be in if you judge people harshly for those qualities we actually have in ourself!

You’re forgiven. Please also forgive me .

Please continue to try to understand the meaning behind my posts.


#48

Of course you’re right :wink: I’m considering that I’m too harsh because I really DON’T KNOW what to think about this situation and my posts are only about asking questions and not about giving answers. I also don’t know if I am right or wrong. Perhaps I was too harsh indeed, and I could write that in PM and that is part of harsh speech there I think. So I am deeply sorry about what I’ve did.

You’re forgiven. Please also forgive me .

Thank you for your generosity :slight_smile: :anjal: I of course forgive as well.

Please continue to try to understand the meaning behind my posts.

I will contemplate on them much more.

I come from country where these matters discussed are like a warzone and this subjects creates tons of conflicts (even actual violence), and I observe this political issues with very immature behaviors from both sides. Of course right winged people are much much worse, but left winged sometimes do very stupid and extremely provocative things as well. It is like both sides were actually feeding on that conflict, instead of trying to make peace with each other, and this is why I’m so reserved in taking side in this subject which in my country is very related to issue of LGBTQIA+ aswell. But I am considering it deeper and deeper so thank you for that Bhante :anjal:


#49

Dear Bhante,

I of course understand your good intentions but how it reads right now is confusing and hurtful to a group of people. The right terminology you are looking for, as Ven. @Akaliko pointed out, is ‘intersex’.
Could you please change this? Thank you!


#51

Hello there,

I’ve wrote this in PM to Bhante Akaliko more than week ago, but I wanted to publicly deeply apologise Bhante Akaliko and everyone else for my post and my harsh speech in it, I felt and feel terrible about what I’ve wrote, and the way that I’ve put my statements. Shame on me.

I’m sorry that this post probably created some unpleasant feelings in many people, especially Bhante @Akaliko.

I hope to never commit such harsh speech again and I undertake the training of working on my right speech with much more care than before.

I could have stated my mind in totally different way and I feel really sorry about this.

After giving it more thought, on the subject, all I wanted to actually express (and I know it is just my opinion, and I really hope it will no offend anyone), is that I believe that all people should have same rights, and I treat everyone equal no matter of their gender, race, orientation etc. it is very natural for me. Human being is a human being and everyone should be treated good.

Just due to some political movements I was observing I just don’t support treating any group “extra special” due to their gender/race/orientation etc., even if they’re a minority. And I just got fearful impression that perhaps sometimes in trying to defend someone, we could go too far and in trying to protect minority we can give them special treatment instead of equal treatment, and it is something that from my actual perspective I see as not a good solution: firstly because it can make them feel superior than majority and create unhealthy psychological mechanisms, and secondly, when we give someone special treatment instead of equal treatment, the opposision starts to be really aggressive and it can backfire and create unnecessary conflicts and tensions.

I don’t say that such situation was taking place here, but just that I was worried about it could due to some my social conditioning (like reading extremist left wing vs extremist right wing discussions that were going on in my country). I also don’t say that such solutions even if they were real, are inherently wrong, because perhaps they’re good, but they do not resonate with me at this moment.

I’m no specialist on the subject, so I’ll try to stay out of discussions about this issue. Just wanted to state my mind so no one takes me against LGBTQIA+ or something, I’m just for equality, good treatment, understanding and progress for/of all. :anjal:

Hope you will forgive me my former harsh speech. :anjal: