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Micchādiṭṭhikassa, bhikkhave, anuppannā ceva akusalā dhammā uppajjanti uppannā ca akusalā dhammā bhiyyobhāvāya vepullāya saṃvattantī”ti.
[306.1.2] (SuttaCentral)When you have wrong view, unskillful qualities arise and skillful qualities decline.

Ven @sujato, how do you derive … and skillful qualities decline from uppannā ca akusalā dhammā bhiyyobhāvāya vepullāya saṃvattantīti.? Isn’t it more like "and arisen/existing unskillful qualities develop fully/become abundant?

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This has been corrected in the new text repository:

AN1.306:1.2: Micchādiṭṭhikassa, bhikkhave, anuppannā ceva akusalā dhammā uppajjanti uppannā ca akusalā dhammā bhiyyobhāvāya vepullāya saṁvattantī”ti.
AN1.306:1.2: When you have wrong view, unskillful qualities arise or, when they have arisen, they increase and grow.”

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The transition to fully unskillful abundance necessitates decline to zero of skillful qualities. As one goes to 100%, the other has to go to 0% by definition. It wouldn’t be fully unskillful if any skillful remained. The inferred warning that skilled qualities decline has been useful to me in study. Bhante’s paired translation I believe has the same semantic takeaway as what you propose?

Oh. never mind. I see that correction has been made…

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Bhante’s first version catches the spirit of the whole vagga perfectly. His replacement version recognises that the rhetorical/logical development of this text depends on semantic and grammatical opposites like akusalā/kusalā and anuppannā/uppannā.

I agree that the inferred warning is useful for us unenlightened beings. :pray:

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AN4.10 (maybe in other suttas too) there are different translations for some of the terms in the list bhavarāgo bhavanandī bhavasneho bhavamucchā bhavapipāsā bhavapariḷāho bhavajjhosānaṁ bhavataṇhā etc.

For example here we have “greed” and “relishing”:

AN4.10:1.6: Tassa kāmānaṁ samudayañca atthaṅgamañca assādañca ādīnavañca nissaraṇañca yathābhūtaṁ appajānato yo kāmesu kāmarāgo kāmanandī kāmasneho kāmamucchā kāmapipāsā kāmapariḷāho kāmajjhosānaṁ kāmataṇhā sānuseti.
AN4.10:1.6: So greed, relishing, affection, infatuation, thirst, passion, attachment, and craving for sensual pleasures linger on inside.

and here we have “lust” and “delight”:

AN4.10:2.3: Tassa bhavānaṁ samudayañca atthaṅgamañca assādañca ādīnavañca nissaraṇañca yathābhūtaṁ appajānato yo bhavesu bhavarāgo bhavanandī bhavasneho bhavamucchā bhavapipāsā bhavapariḷāho bhavajjhosānaṁ bhavataṇhā sānuseti.
AN4.10:2.3: So lust, delight, affection, infatuation, thirst, passion, attachment, and craving for continued existence linger on inside.

In SN56.11 it’s “relishing and greed”:

SN56.11:4.4: yāyaṁ taṇhā ponobbhavikā nandirāgasahagatā tatratatrābhinandinī, seyyathidaṁ—
SN56.11:4.4: It’s the craving that leads to future rebirth, mixed up with relishing and greed, taking pleasure in various different realms. That is,

and in MN23 it’s “desire with relishing”:

MN23:4.35: ‘Maṁsapesī’ti kho, bhikkhu, nandīrāgassetaṁ adhivacanaṁ.
MN23:4.35: ‘Lump of meat’ is a term for desire with relishing.

It may be that you have different nuances for the different contexts in mind, or maybe not.

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AN 5 blurbs:

AN5.96 and AN5.97 both have

Supported by five factors, one who practices mindfulness of breathing will soon realize the unshakable.

AN5.98 should have again the same text, but instead it has

A lion is always respectful when it kills. So too when the Buddha teaches he always respects his audience.

This does however belong to AN5.99.

Edit: Has been corrected. :white_check_mark:

AN5.100:2.1: Atha kho kakudho devaputto yenāyasmā mahāmoggallāno tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmantaṁ mahāmoggallānaṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ aṭṭhāsi. Ekamantaṁ ṭhito kho kakudho devaputto āyasmantaṁ mahāmoggallānaṁ etadavoca:
AN5.100:2.1: Then the god Kakudha went up to Venerable Mahāmoggallāna, bowed, stood to one side. and said to him,

After “stood to one side” should be a comma, not a period.

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Where should the errors and typos be reported? On this thread? Or is there a more suitable avenue to report them?

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Yes, it’s here! :smiley:

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There are some inconsistencies with the translation of diṭṭhiyā suppaṭividdhā:

DN 33—this is how it is rendered in most cases I have come across so far. Again in AN4.22:4.4, AN5.47:4.2, AN5.87:1.4, AN5.88:4.5, and AN5.96:1.6.

DN33:3.3.8: Puna caparaṁ, āvuso, bhikkhu bahussuto hoti sutadharo sutasannicayo. Ye te dhammā ādikalyāṇā majjhekalyāṇā pariyosānakalyāṇā sātthā sabyañjanā kevalaparipuṇṇaṁ parisuddhaṁ brahmacariyaṁ abhivadanti, tathārūpāssa dhammā bahussutā honti dhātā vacasā paricitā manasānupekkhitā diṭṭhiyā suppaṭividdhā.
DN33:3.3.8: Furthermore, a mendicant is very learned, remembering and keeping what they’ve learned. These teachings are good in the beginning, good in the middle, and good in the end, meaningful and well-phrased, describing a spiritual practice that’s entirely full and pure. They are very learned in such teachings, remembering them, reinforcing them by recitation, mentally scrutinizing them, and comprehending them theoretically.

One variant in AN5.88 where the Pali has a variant (which seems to be an incorrect transmission). English also has a different rendering:

AN5.88:2.5: bahussuto hoti sutadharo sutasannicayo, ye te dhammā ādikalyāṇā majjhekalyāṇā pariyosānakalyāṇā sātthaṁ sabyañjanaṁ kevalaparipuṇṇaṁ parisuddhaṁ brahmacariyaṁ abhivadanti, tathārūpāssa dhammā bahussutā honti dhātā vacasā paricitā manasānupekkhitā diṭṭhiyā appaṭividdhā;
AN5.88:2.5: They’re very learned, remembering and keeping what they’ve learned. These teachings are good in the beginning, good in the middle, and good in the end, meaningful and well-phrased, describing a spiritual practice that’s entirely full and pure. They are very learned in such teachings, remembering them, reinforcing them by recitation, mentally scrutinizing them, and understanding them with view.

Another variant translation in AN 5.110:

AN5.110:1.4: bahussuto hoti …pe… diṭṭhiyā suppaṭividdhā;
AN5.110:1.4: They’re very learned, remembering and keeping what they’ve learned. These teachings are good in the beginning, good in the middle, and good in the end, meaningful and well-phrased, describing a spiritual practice that’s totally full and pure. They are very learned in such teachings, remembering them, reciting them, mentally scrutinizing them, and understanding them with right view.

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AN5.110:1.5: āraddhavīriyo viharati thāmavā daḷhaparakkamo anikkhittadhuro kusalesu dhammesu;
AN5.110:1.5: They live with energy roused up for giving up unskillful qualities and gaining skillful qualities. They’re strong, staunchly vigorous, not slacking off when it comes to developing skillful qualities.

“for giving up unskillful qualities and gaining skillful qualities” is lacking in the Pali.


AN5.131:3.2: taṁ hoti cakkaṁ appaṭivattiyaṁ samaṇena vā brāhmaṇena vā devena vā mārena vā brahmunā vā kenaci vā lokasmiṁ.
AN5.131:3.2: And that wheel cannot be rolled back by any ascetic or brahmin or god or Māra or Brahmā or by anyone in the world.

AN5.131:4.4: taṁ hoti dhammacakkaṁ appaṭivattiyaṁ samaṇena vā brāhmaṇena vā devena vā mārena vā brahmunā vā kenaci vā lokasmin”ti.
AN5.131:4.4: And that wheel cannot be rolled back by any ascetic or brahmin or god or Māra or Brahmā or by anyone in the world.”

Shouldn’t it be “wheel of Dhamma” in the second instance?

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Discrepancy between SC voice and sutta AN 3.67 Topics of Discussion

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This comes through SuttaCentral main page and Voice using different repositories at the moment. SuttaCentral still uses an older repository and is working on a huge round of updates which includes also moving to the new repository. All new corrections and edits to the texts are done only to the new repository. Voice is already using this new one.

The discrepancy will disappear once SuttaCentral has completed their current update.

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Translation of rājā khattiyo muddhāvasitto

AN3.12:1.1: “Tīṇimāni, bhikkhave, rañño khattiyassa muddhāvasittassa yāvajīvaṁ sāraṇīyāni bhavanti.
AN3.12:1.1: “An anointed king should commemorate three places as long as he lives.

AN5.134:1.1: “Pañcahi, bhikkhave, aṅgehi samannāgato rājā khattiyo muddhāvasitto yassaṁ yassaṁ disāyaṁ viharati, sakasmiṁyeva vijite viharati.
AN5.134:1.1: “Mendicants, with five factors an anointed aristocratic king lives in his own realm, no matter what region he lives in.

Sometimes the king has the attribute “aristocratic” in English, sometimes he hasn’t.


AN5.135:3.6: asaṭho hoti amāyāvī, yathābhūtaṁ attānaṁ āvikattā satthari vā viññūsu vā sabrahmacārīsu;
AN5.135:3.6: They’re not devious or deceitful. They reveal themselves honestly to the Teacher or sensible spiritual companions.

AN5.135:4.7: Ahaṁ khomhi asaṭho amāyāvī yathābhūtaṁ attānaṁ āvikattā satthari vā viññūsu vā sabrahmacārīsu.
AN5.135:4.7: I reveal myself honestly to the Teacher or sensible spiritual companions.

“I’m not devious or deceitful” lacking in the second instance. Is this a deliberate abbreviation?

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Thank you very much :anjal:

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AN5.144:2.1: “Sādhu, bhikkhave, bhikkhu kālena kālaṁ appaṭikūle paṭikūlasaññī vihareyya.
AN5.144:2.1: “Mendicants, a mendicant would do well to meditate from time to time perceiving the following:
AN5.144:2.2: Sādhu, bhikkhave, bhikkhu kālena kālaṁ paṭikūle appaṭikūlasaññī vihareyya.
AN5.144:2.2: the unrepulsive in the repulsive,
AN5.144:2.3: Sādhu, bhikkhave, bhikkhu kālena kālaṁ appaṭikūle ca paṭikūle ca paṭikūlasaññī vihareyya.
AN5.144:2.3: the repulsive in both the unrepulsive and the repulsive, and
AN5.144:2.4: Sādhu, bhikkhave, bhikkhu kālena kālaṁ paṭikūle ca appaṭikūle ca appaṭikūlasaññī vihareyya.
AN5.144:2.4: the unrepulsive in both the repulsive and the unrepulsive.
AN5.144:2.5: Sādhu, bhikkhave, bhikkhu kālena kālaṁ paṭikūlañca appaṭikūlañca tadubhayaṁ abhinivajjetvā upekkhako vihareyya sato sampajāno.
AN5.144:2.5: A mendicant would do well to meditate from time to time staying equanimous, mindful and aware, rejecting both the repulsive and the unrepulsive.

In the first phrase, instead of translating appaṭikūle paṭikūlasaññī, the English has just “perceiving the following”.

This may have happened with the correction of segment numbering, for on the website it still looks like this, and segments go up to 2.6:

Segment 2.2 here is a partial repetition of 2.1 for Pali. With the new numbering, the translation for the repetition got lost.

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AN 3.69 Unskillful roots.

When someone makes a baseless criticism, they make no effort to explain, ‘This is why that’s untrue, this is why that’s false.’ That’s why such a person is said to have speech that’s ill-timed, false, meaningless, not in line with the teaching and training.

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At this line, SuttaCentral, it should start with a double quote, not a single one

‘What do you think, great king?

Comment to AN3.113:1.3 seems to rather belong to AN3.113:1.5. It refers to pātabyata which doesn’t occur in 1.3 but occurs in 1.5.

SN 8.12 (SC 6.4) has the typo “cxpert in comprehending…”

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