Right Learning?

Thanks to all of you. One foot in front of the other. I will use these links.

How does one know that one truly comprehends Dependent Origination? What is the quality of awareness that is present when one comprehends?

I don’t know if this is of the level of truly understanding, but I think to be able to be called having seen it yourself you need to be able to see the arising and destruction of your physical form and mental elements. You see, a being in reality is not a continuous existence. A being is composed of many elements of physical form and mental forms. These elements actually are formed and destructed in a short period, not something that continuously exists for as long as we live. Thus our body right now is not the same as our body 5 minutes ago since our body 5 minutes ago has been destructed and the current physical body is something new constructed from a cause (one of the cause is the our previous actions - kamma). That is why it is said, from a cause it appears, when the cause ends it disappears. And this is the process that need to be observed with wisdom (panna). Being able to mentally see this process is what is called developing panna.

Awareness is only one factor that is required. Awareness bring the objects into the mind, concentrations cleans the mind from mental defilements, and wisdom shows the true nature of the objects thus removing our wrong views (avijja) and the attachment it produces (tanha).

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Buddhism is more similar to natural science than philosophy. If we want to understand something we need to observe it. The tool that we use is concentration and the objects that we want to understand is our khandhas (physical and mental formations). Thus someone can be a Buddhist philosopher or a Buddhist practitioner. Of course, the latter is the practice that leads to Nibbana.

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You eliminate attachments, aversion, and ignorance gradually.

your mind becomes easily concentrated.

This is a very short answer which requires a detailed explanation.

Dear Rosie

These are big questions. :slight_smile:

I’m disconnecting from D&D for several days to attend to other things… But I couldn’t do so without responding.

To begin to get a good sense of what an answer to your questions might look like, I recommend a slow approach to figuring things out and a gradual growth in the big picture that Buddhism can offer. I also recommend, aside from EBT suttas, the Sutta Study section on the BSWA Youtube site, any talks on this same site to do with the 8 fold path or meditation and definitely, Ajahn Brahm’s “Word of the Buddha” classes, also on youtube.

Sorry if I don’t respond to any further queries on this…gotta go now :slight_smile: Good luck and with metta.

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There are several good anthologies (in book form or online, free or commercial) that are particularly nice when starting off and orienting oneself and finding one’s bearings within the suttas and teachings:

  • A Self-guided Tour of the Buddha’s Teachings” online on Access to Insight. This goes through all the main points of the dhamma using the “gradual training” structure (often used by the Buddha himself). Check out the rest of the site too.
  • “In the Buddha’s Words” by Bhikku Bodhi (as mentioned already by SarathW1). This is fairly cheap to buy, but you can read all the suttas in it here for free and the introductory parts to the chapters are here also (just go to the Reading Guide section of this site and scroll down to the end of the page).
  • The Word of the Buddha” by Nyanatolika Thera (online and free). This is a very nice sutta selection of suttas structured according to the four noble truths with the larger part devoted to the fourth one (the eight-fold noble path). The BSWA also hosts a nice series of videos here by Ajahn Brahm where he gives a series of talks working his way through the chapters of this book. Check out the rest of the BSWA website for lots of great uplifting dhamma talks (EDIT: just see now that Kay has recommended these also).
  • The Buddha’s Path to Deliverance” by Nyanatiloka Mahathera (online and free). By the same author as “Word of the Buddha”. It’s longer and more detailed and uses a different structuring scheme (the three-fold training: morality, concentration and wisdom intermixed with another more obscure scheme called the seven stages of purity). Another good overview of the teaching. Contains a good overview of the main meditation practices also. It’s my favourite of the two, but it’s probably better to have read one of the earlier intros before reading this.

If you like audio (which I do :slight_smile: ), Bhikkhu Bodhi’s series of 10 downloadable introductory lectures “The Buddha’s Teaching As It Is” is very nice, which covers:

  1. The Buddha
  2. The Four Noble Truths
  3. The Nature of Existence
  4. Dependent Origination :slight_smile:
  5. Rebirth and Kamma
  6. Nibbana
  7. Eightfold Path
  8. Meditation
  9. Social Teachings of Buddha
  10. The Sangha

For a short concise run-through of the main concepts and ideas associated with Buddhism, probably the best list I’ve seen is here. Unfortunately, this is on a rationalist/skeptic site, but, for the most part, gives a fairly balanced overview and isn’t too hard on Buddhism. It doesn’t pull its punches at a few points (maybe even somewhat deserved at a few points). It’s a good summary list though (though far from as comprehensive as the dhamma concepts chart linked to by SarathW1).

If, at some point, you start reading the suttas themselves, then probably the Majjhima Nikaya (MN), for various reasons, is probably the best place to start. Particularly, at the start, you’ll probably find often yourself being a bit puzzled at one section or another. However, Bhikkhu Bodhi has a whole series of talks on the various MN suttas (part of a course he gave on the MN with a suggested reading-order plan of attack). Nice if you want to have a whole sutta gone into in detail by a real expert with often useful student questions answered at the end also.

On Dependent Arising (DA), it’s probably good to try to get an intellectual understanding of this (though it’s a difficult teaching). However, I suppose the end point is to eventually go beyond intellectual understanding and gain a direct intuitive knowing/insight into DA. The idea is to work the eight-fold path until you get to a stage where that’s possible (where the five negative hindrances have been sufficiently weakened and where morality and the necessary seven positive qualities, the factors of enlightenment, have been sufficiently strengthened). But that’s pretty advanced. A person who has seen directly into DA like that, according the Buddhist teachings, has actually become a stream enterer (the first of four stages of enlightenment). That’s the first taste of nibbana (just a glimpse). The remaining stages, I guess, are then the concrete (and inevitable, according to the teaching, all within seven lives) working out of the implications and consequences of that insight. I suppose that’s roughly where DA fits into the overall big picture.

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Again I am humbled by your collective wisdom. I thank you and wish you much happiness…with much metta. I will explore these links with mind and heart. Mucho appreciation.

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I started listening to it.
I started with Nibbna.
Yes, it is a wonderful Dhamma talk.

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http://seeingthroughthenet.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/The-Law-of-Dependent-Arising_LE_Rev_1.0.pdf

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http://seeingthroughthenet.net

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Then to Sariputta the wanderer, as he heard this Dhamma exposition, there arose the dustless, stainless Dhamma eye: “Whatever is subject to origination is all subject to cessation.”

Even if just this is the Dhamma,
you have penetrated
to the Sorrowless State [Nibbana]
unseen, overlooked (by us)
for many myriads of aeons.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/vin/mv/mv.01.23.01-10.than.html#saristream

Sorry, if this isn’t obvious and clear. :slight_smile:

with metta

Thanks for confusing me. [smile] Namaste

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You’re confused? Then we should discuss it.

with metta

Hey Mat, if you are volunteering to break this down I would love to read your explanation. Thanks so much!

Very Nice and useful. Thanks very much!

It is a great work by Kalyanamitta @Stephen18
I think this should be printed and distributed to every temple to use as a wall hanging.

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Would this be understood? :

2nd Noble Truth: origination, origination = DO in the forward order = cause of how suffering arises
3rd Noble Truth: cessation = DO in the ceasing order = how the cause of suffering is removed so that suffering ceases.

with metta

Why is the 2nd noble truth tanha and not avijja?

Understood with my limited intelligence. :thinking: Thanks

Don’t worry Rosie, I know a guy better than all teachers in this world combined. Not only is he very knowledgeable when it comes to Buddhism, but he is also very good at explaining. He explains things so well and clear that even a bronze age indian peasant can understand. The fact that you live in a place that is remote in terms of buddhism might end up being the best thing that ever happened to you, saving you from years wasted uselessly. I’ve sent PM with this teacher.