Vitakka vicāra (Jhana-factors)

[frankk]

@Sylvester

was simply your very own reliance on MN 36 for parsing kāya passadhi as if this referred to the tranquilisation of the corporeal/anatomical body. The Buddha rejects that, and makes clear that kāyabhāvanā is sense restraint.

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Pīti, sukha, kāya in jhāna: mental, physical, or both?

moderators, please make the first post in this thread a wiki editable by everyone. discussion from https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/vitakka-vicara-jhana-factors/2589/300 that are more properly focused on this one can be continued here. Synopsis We're primarily interested in whether Pīti, sukha, in the standard four jhanas are mental, physical or both. But in order to do that, we may have to carefully examine the terms Kāya, kāyena, imameva kāyam (jhana similes), or any other term in …