What did the Buddha mean by 'music'?

[Thaniyo_Bhikkhu]

UPED: caṅkama, walking meditation, jhana in all 4 postures

Table of Contents Walking meditation, jhāna in all postures AN 3.16 alternating walking/sitting meditation 24/7 AN 3.63 four jhānas in all 4 postures explicitly stated AN 4.11, KN Iti 110 cara: walking (vitakka refinement in various postures) AN 4.12, KN Iti 111, samādhi/jhāna in all 4 postures (1. Walking) (Standing, sitting, lying down follows same pattern...) (verse) AN 5.29 samādhi from walking long lasting AN 5.29 walking meditation footnote AN 8.63 four …

@Senryu

If there is no perception of sense objects, please do explain to me how wakling is possible?

One would have this view that one doesn’t perceive anything in first jhana ,if you think jhana is a type of mystical oblivious experience, rather than an experience which involves a steady mindful discernment. *see MN111

"Quite secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unskillful qualities, he entered and remained in the first jhana, which has the rapture and bliss born of seclusion, while thinking and pondering.

_And he distinguished the phenomena in the first jhana one by one: thinking and pondering and rapture and bliss and unification of mind; contact, feeling, perception, intention, mind, enthusiasm, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention
_He knew those phenomena as they arose, as they remained, and as they went away. "

As you can see from the above, perception is discerned in first jhana and there is a clear awareness of what is occuring.
Also and again, the first jhana description does no have sitting as part of it.
So walking would be possible because ones Discernment is quite established.

Secluded or withdrawn from senses means that one is in a mental position that is not moved by what is perceived , rather than the senses being switched off, they are active but not in unwholesome ways because they are guarded and restrained by a mind which is withdrawn from unwholesome mind states.
If a person ‘emerges’ from seated meditation and believes that they were doing jhana because they cannot recall perceiving anything and feel refreshed, its more likely the case that they just had a good sleep.

@Senryu

What is important here is not my understanding , but rather the overwhelming mass of evidence my understanding (and that of Ajahn Sujato, Bhikkhu Bodhi, etc. etc.) is based upon

Again, just because the majority says so doesn’t make it right,
For example, Ajahn Sujato, the example you have used, might be a great scholar, translator etc etc but he might not have understood the MEANING of the suttas.

@Senryu

Perhaps you did not follow my explanation. According to the interpretation I have proposed, in the section on the brahmavihāras, the statement “ When I’m practicing like this ” would be fererring back to the section starting with:

“Brahmin, when I am living supported by a village or town, I robe up in the morning and, taking my bowl and robe, enter the town or village for alms.
“Idhāhaṃ, brāhmaṇa, yaṃ gāmaṃ vā nigamaṃ vā upanissāya viharāmi, so pubbaṇhasamayaṃ nivāsetvā pattacīvaramādāya tameva gāmaṃ vā nigamaṃ vā piṇḍāya pavisāmi.

Yes,its nice proposal. One can certainly do such things while in jhana,brahmavihara and with a mind liberated,according to the sutta.

@Senryu

Can you not see that your assumption that “ One’s understanding of what jhana is always wrong from the start. ” is based on only one piece of evidence, which most people do not read as being evidence at all, since they read it as not saying what you claim it to be saying?

Or did I miss something - do you have any other sources to back up your claim that everyone has been wrong for millenia?

I do not claim that everyone is wrong, but certainly most are.
One understanding of jhana is wrong from the start because that’s how the process works First you read about jhana then think about what it means and try it out. Now the chances that one has understood jhana at ones first attempt is pretty much zero.