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What is enlightenment?


#21

if we follow these five things which definitely I have done in past few weeks makes me enlightened?


#22

Per MN64, the first fetter is identity view.
The reinforced use of “I have done” and “me” in the question would incline to a conclusion of “no”.

In this way, the fetters are another checklist. There are ten.


#23

A beginning practitioner who observes morality will have experienced mental seclusion, that is an increased detachment from samsara, but they will not be able to identify it. To do that they should as well begin to develop an understanding of what samsara is, what impermanence is, and why they are developing non-attachment.

“To Upali the householder, as he was sitting right there, there arose the dustless, stainless Dhamma eye: Whatever is subject to origination is all subject to cessation. Then — having seen the Dhamma, having reached the Dhamma, known the Dhamma, gained a footing in the Dhamma, having crossed over & beyond doubt, having had no more questioning — Upali the householder gained fearlessness and was independent of others with regard to the Teacher’s message.”—MN 56

The Buddha was initially reticent to take his teaching to the world because he thought it was too subtle. A discrimination of mental states needs to be developed.


#25

This is great, and it also covers

So far it seems to me from this discussion and further readings one who has

  1. Write knowledge 10 fold path Ten fold path, the extension of the Eightfold Path of the Buddha - Buddha heads
  2. Destroyed all kinds of desire, ignorance
  3. Understood and eradicated all steps of suffering, and reached the end goal of suffering
  4. Laid down the burden of 5 aggregates of clinging
  5. Destroyed 10 fetters of existence
  6. And Obtained 3 super and 3 higher knowledges chalabhiññā Abhijñā - Wikipedia
  7. And became an Arhant by either ways

is enlightened. Its not simple to describe enlightenment and impossible for others to judge if someone is enlightened unless they have super knowledge and they themselves are at the level to see it in you or vice versa.


#26

Number 6 in your list is optional. Some people get the fancy enlightenment with the abhinja upgrade, but most opt for the basic package (which just includes the rest of your list hehe) :slightly_smiling_face:


#27

This is not correct. The sixth and only supermundane abhinna, the extinction of all cankers through penetrating insight, is the only one necessary for the realization of arahatship (MN 36, MN 60, D13).


#28

Oh, yeah…

technically_correct

But in his list he said all 6 were necessary, which is not correct. And, technically, that knowledge is synonymous with the “[right] knowledge” he already mentioned in point 1. So there :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:


#29

Has developed the five spiritual faculties and the seven factors of enlightenment. That is there’s no enlightenment without meditation.

The same number of lifetimes, would be much more difficult.


#30

The enobbling task pertaining to cessation of suffering - aka enlightenment - is very clearly stated by the Buddha: verify it for yourself:

‘This noble truth of the cessation of suffering should be realized.’
‘Taṃ kho panidaṃ dukkhanirodhaṃ ariyasaccaṃ sacchikātabban’
SN56.11

It is not consistent with the framework of the four noble truths to debate on personal views of what enlightenment is or not.

I consider to be a bonus that the Buddha apparently gave us hints, similes and analogies - as per recorded in EBTs - of how refreshing and reassuring it was for him to fulfill that ennobling task himself.

:anjal:


#31

As given in the AN, pañcakanipāta, paṭhamapaṇṇāsakaṃ, pañcaṅgikavaggo, vimuttāyatanasuttaṃ,
The yogi experiences pāmojjaṃ, pīti, and passaddhi.
When he is at this samādhi, if he starts to check the steps he has successfully completed in NEP (Noble Eightfold Path), and discover that he is done with sammā vācā, sammā kammanta, and sammā ājīva then he understands that all his requirements for fulfillment of sīla are done.
To come to this level, he has developed the strong faith due to understanding of virtues of The Buddha, The Dhamma, and The Sangha.
These are the requirements to attain sotāpatti.
Continuing with the practice of Satipaṭṭhānā he understands the eradication of pañca nīvaranā and happily move forward till he attain total vimuttiṃ.
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That mendicant feels inspired by the meaning and the teaching in that Dhamma, no matter how the Teacher or a respected spiritual companion teaches it.Yathā yathā, bhikkhave, tassa bhikkhuno satthādhammaṃ deseti, aññataro vā garuṭṭhāniyosabrahmacārī tathā tathā so tasmiṃ dhammeatthapaṭisaṃvedī ca hoti dhammapaṭisaṃvedī ca.2.4Feeling inspired, joy springs up.Tassa atthapaṭisaṃvedino dhammapaṭisaṃvedinopāmojjaṃ jāyati.2.5Being joyful, rapture springs up.Pamuditassa pīti jāyati.2.6When the mind is full of rapture, the body becomes tranquil.Pītimanassa kāyo passambhati.2.7When the body is tranquil, one feels bliss.Passaddhakāyo sukhaṃ vedeti.2.8And when blissful, the mind becomes immersed in samādhi.Sukhino cittaṃ samādhiyati.2.9This is the first opportunity for freedom. If a mendicant stays diligent, keen, and resolute at this time, their mind is freed, their defilements are ended, and they arrive at the supreme sanctuary.Idaṃ, bhikkhave, paṭhamaṃ vimuttāyatanaṃ yatthabhikkhuno appamattassa ātāpino pahitattassaviharato avimuttaṃ vā cittaṃ vimuccati,aparikkhīṇā vā āsavā parikkhayaṃ gacchanti,ananuppattaṃ vā anuttaraṃ yogakkhemaṃanupāpuṇāti. (1)


#32

I think of it as the attainment of reliable knowledge. Suffering is due to our reliance on unreliable knowledge.


#33

All Agreed, this is already covered in eight mindfulness of noble eight fold path


#34

Agreed all of this is already covered in noble eight fold path


#35

I think you are right here as main focus and central idea of Buddha’s curiosity and crux of teaching was liberation from suffering so in this list

No. 3 must be most important and others either automatically fall in place or are co-developed


#36

You will need two things,

  1. A map (a growing measure of righ view)
  2. A flashlight (Deep meditation)

You will need the words of another and significant inspiration. You can’t go past ‘BSWA youtube’ or ‘BSV dhamma talks’ , that is unless you can spend time with some real sangha or enlightened beings, in which case, optimise your priorities. But hey, why are you asking?
You can see for yourself here and now :seedling:


#37

:blush:
Everything taught by The Buddha is in the Noble Eightfold Path, isn’t it?
It is the only path for realization.