Wrong concentration

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Some interesting point to discuss I suppose.
You don’t find many Sutta which describe the wrong Jhana.

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And what kind of meditation did he not praise?
Kathaṃ rūpañca, brāhmaṇa, so bhagavā jhānaṃ na vaṇṇesi?
It’s when someone’s heart is overcome and mired in sensual desire, and they don’t truly understand the escape from sensual desire that has arisen.
Idha, brāhmaṇa, ekacco kāmarāgapariyuṭṭhitena cetasā viharati kāmarāgaparetena, uppannassa ca kāmarāgassa nissaraṇaṃ yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti;
Harboring sensual desire within they meditate and concentrate and contemplate and ruminate.
so kāmarāgaṃyeva antaraṃ karitvā jhāyati pajjhāyati nijjhāyati apajjhāyati.
Their heart is overcome and mired in ill will …
Byāpādapariyuṭṭhitena cetasā viharati byāpādaparetena, uppannassa ca byāpādassa nissaraṇaṃ yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti;
so byāpādaṃyeva antaraṃ karitvā jhāyati pajjhāyati nijjhāyati apajjhāyati.
dullness and drowsiness …
Thinamiddhapariyuṭṭhitena cetasā viharati thinamiddhaparetena, uppannassa ca thinamiddhassa nissaraṇaṃ yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti;
so thinamiddhaṃyeva antaraṃ karitvā jhāyati pajjhāyati nijjhāyati apajjhāyati.
restlessness and remorse …
Uddhaccakukkuccapariyuṭṭhitena cetasā viharati uddhaccakukkuccaparetena, uppannassa ca uddhaccakukkuccassa nissaraṇaṃ yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti;
so uddhaccakukkuccaṃyeva antaraṃ karitvā jhāyati pajjhāyati nijjhāyati apajjhāyati.
doubt, and they don’t truly know and see the escape from doubt that has arisen.
Vicikicchāpariyuṭṭhitena cetasā viharati vicikicchāparetena, uppannāya ca vicikicchāya nissaraṇaṃ yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti;
Harboring doubt within they meditate and concentrate and contemplate and ruminate.
so vicikicchaṃyeva antaraṃ karitvā jhāyati pajjhāyati nijjhāyati apajjhāyati.
The Buddha didn’t praise this kind of meditation.
Evarūpaṃ kho, brāhmaṇa, so bhagavā jhānaṃ na vaṇṇesi.

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In short, meditation with five hindrance is wrong meditation?

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Yes.
To me it is sound like the cat in concentration to catch a mouse.
Cat has the attachment and aversion to catch the mouse but may not be the rest of the hindrances.

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What do people think about a meditation where you get totally absorbed in a fantasy?

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The fantasising kind of ‘meditation’ will only develop attachment, craving and delusion and prolong samsara as it will develop a ‘world’ or ‘plane’ to inhabit. Or maybe it’s about ‘flights of fancy’.

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Except when doing satipatthana, where the point is to notice hindrances, etc.

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The Satipatthana says this is in order to overcome them.

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Yes, though in conjunction with right effort.

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