I think the feature of auto-translation a Pali word when the mouse just hovers over the word is super useful. This feature was available before but now I have to click on the word which quickly becomes rather tired.
I meant, it is not a new feature, it was there before and it was really useful. Of course I can revert to the legacy version to use that feature but is it impossible to get that feature on the new version?
Could anyone please tell me is there any chance this feature will come back soon?
With metta
I tried to do a search for keyword âhover mouseâ but couldnât find any such thread, maybe Bhante @sujato can help to clarify on this issue? Really sorry to make you repeat what you said (or maybe just give me the link to that thread instead?)
Thank you @ekay
Actually I am not convinced with Bhante @sujato 's explanation
We can make it as an option so that anyone wants that feature can turn it on, instead of removing such a feature altogether. Someone using mobile version can turn it off. I find that feature super useful. Am I wrong here?
If your reason is: Well the team has much higher priority and better useful things to do, then I will go along with you. And I will expect something like we can do it when we have time.
But now your reason seems like I am touching a taboo subject
That feature is available before, thatâs why I simply donât understand why the team makes it completely new while removing old work altogether.
Itâs just my opinion, but I kind of feel like it is. I donât want to assume that you donât have a background in coding/web development, but this comment makes me think it may be the caseâŚ
Iâm not meaning to be condescending, but it isnât like moving furniture in and out of a room. They didnât move out your favorite sitting chair just because it didnât match the new drapes .
Software and websites (which really are software in the case of SC) are complicated and you cannot include every possible feature without increasing the possibility of other problems. The design team and the leads are constantly having to make difficult decisions on what is the best way to do things. And they shouldnât have to waste their time justifying every little decision that may annoy someone. (Granted, Iâm sure you donât feel this was a little decision, but if you knew how many decisions go into a project like this, you might feel differently)
I think Bhante Sujato is very interested in hearing feedback. However when you say thisâŚ
It sounds like you are feeling entitled that your specific needs are met eventually. So thatâs why it feels to me like you are crossing a line.
But I wonât comment any more since Iâm not the one making decisions, merely someone who feels gratitude for the people who have to make them. This, BTW is a common issue on open source projects. People simply canât understand why the volunteers doing the work wonât accommodate their specific and persistent request.
Unless youâre an experienced coder or designer (and even then!) itâs typically better to communicate your experiences and needs than to dictate specific features.
It sounds to me like your âuser storyâ is that youâd like to be able to quickly read a word-by-word gloss of the PÄli, is that right? And so: having to click on each word one at a time is a bit slow for fluent reading, and hence your request. Am I inferring your use-case correctly?
I donât have a laptop handy at the moment: does tabbing through the page work to focus each Pali word one at a time when Pali lookup is enabled?
That may solve this personâs need AND be an accessibility win: Accessibility (ideally) means not relying on a pointing device for hover OR for clicks, and tabbing word-by-word may be fast enough for fluent reading. Just a thought
Isnât that the definition of Accessibility: making reasonable accommodations for people with âspecific needsâ?
No, actually I donât think it is! At least not accessibility with a capital a. The OP absolutely has access to the information they need. But maybe Iâm misunderstanding. They just have to click the mouse to get it. And it isnât that they have a problem that prevents them from clicking, which is a real issue for some people. Itâs that they donât think they should have to click since they didnât have to click before.
To say that accessibility just means everyone gets what they âneedâ diminishes the real barriers that some people have to accessing information. Otherwise the term becomes meaningless. And the line between need and want becomes muddled. I mean, I could say that I need someone to massage my feet while I read the suttas, but that doesnât mean the website is not accessible to me.
As far as tabbing, it appears that tabbing moves you through each of the segment ids, which I didnât realize before. After clicking on a word and getting the dictionary panel at the bottom, neither tabbing nor the arrow keys moves you through the words of the suttas. But when you click on the info icon, there are instructions that say Alt n takes you to the next word and Alt b takes you to the previous one. And that if those donât work it gives a link to a wikipedia article listing all the accessability keys for other browsers. On Firefox, itâs Ctrl + Alt, but that is broken for me since i have one of those doing something else already.
Although the dictionary feature as a whole may not be Accessible (with a capital a ) since I donât know if there is a keyboard action that lets you select a word. Maybe there is. As well, using the keyboard to move through the words doesnât change the text displaying on the screen (at least for me) so itâs possible to move through the words enough that the words you are defining are not on the screen.
And in fully-automated, luxury Communism you would have your robot masseuse too!
Thanks for the report! Thatâs about what I thought.
So, perhaps a bit of investment into making the word lookup work with just a keyboard could make the site more Accessible and address this userâs need?
Perhaps you are afflicted with severe arthritis? But probably not, since you are able to type? Or are you dictating?
If you are disabled in any way, please forgive our lack of compassion. If youâre not disabled, perhaps you could welcome this disruption as an opportunity to observe how the mind works in relation to the disruption of familiar habits.
Anyway, I already found a solution so that I can have exactly what I originally wished for. Therefore, please just ignore my request.
I understand fully that looking for a solution for mundane matter is suffering. I did it only because I think maybe some other people may be beneficial from such feature. I myself can just use an auto-click and pass my day with it.
Now, I understand also that, communicating with other people in a way that people do not misjudge my intention is also suffering (or more accurate: tiresome). Please take this statement as my own personal realization without any other meaning toward any person.