MN 78 , its parallel MA 179, YARVVI, corroborates MN 125, wholesome thinking still active in first jhana

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In MN 78, the smoking gun is here:
(akusalā saṅkappā cease in first jhana)
(right effort does the work of removing kusalā saṅkappā within, and prior to first jhana)
(3 kusalā saṅkappā are same as 3 aspects of Right Resolve)
(kusalā saṅkappā depend on the 3 kusala perceptions)
(kusalā saṅkappā cease in 2nd jhana)

saṅkappā, is often equivalent to vitakka/thinking, and B.Sujato translates it as “thinking” in this context. If skillful thinking doesn’t cease until 2nd jhana, that means skillful thinking is still at large and active in first jhana. Which means B.Sujatos’s translation of V&V as “placing the mind and keeping it connected” for V&V in first and second jhana are incoherent here.

The chinese Agama parallel agrees on this point (that B. Sujato’s translation of V&V doesn’t work), and there are further interesting differences we will explore later.

MN 78 Eng+Pali, B.Sujato, MN 78's || MA 179 from Chinese to English, B.Analayo

Looking at the Chinese Agamas original, I’m not so sure that there is thinking in the first Jhana.
Vitakka is translated as 覺, which is interesting as the usual translation of vitakka is 尋, which refers to search or thinking. 覺 has more of a meaning of awareness.

In a separate text on Early Buddhism, Ven Analayo also translated vitakka as not thinking, but movement of the mind.

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