I just did SN 45.34 and wondered whether we had any parallels in our data. LOL:
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gradual training exposition
MN 38 passage = AN 10.99 passage
the differences amount to presence of inserted phrases chiefly in AN 10.99
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Thanks @LXNDR.
I was wondering if you could check out the following set which is part of this also:
[“an10.99#8”, “dn2#46”, “mn101#38”, “mn27#23”, “mn38#95”, “mn76#22”, “mn94#13”]
(Note that the #-numbers are the sc paragraph numbers so this set only indicates one paragraph in each sutta but I guess it should be a bit more)
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this is a bit complicated as there’re gaps in the sequence of passages
hope i got it mostly right as Pali is not my first language, not even the second, not even mine, i’ll just dump this here in the form of notes i jotted without fancy formatting
[details=Summary]These are equal to each other
MN 27
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn27/23.19-43.205 (somewhat abridged)
MN 76
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn76/22-28.667 (heavily abridged)
MN 94
MN 101
AN 10.99
https://suttacentral.net/pi/an10.99/8-30 (abridged)
MN 38
=
MN 27
MN 76
MN 94
MN 101
AN 10.99
https://suttacentral.net/pi/an10.99/8-30 (abridged)
DN 2 (before the gap)
https://suttacentral.net/pi/dn2/59.18-72.849 (including inserted passages) (numbers of paragraphs in the URL don’t match those displayed in the Text information)
=
MN 27
MN 38
MN 76
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn76/22-22.155 (heavily abridged)
MN 94
MN 101
AN 10.99
DN 2 (after gap 1)
https://suttacentral.net/pi/dn2/94.285-124.180 (including inserted passages) (numbers of paragraphs in the URL don’t match those displayed in the Text information)
=
MN 27
MN 38
MN 76
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn76/22-25.79 (heavily abridged)
MN 94
MN 101
AN 10.99
https://suttacentral.net/pi/an10.99/19.296-30 (abridged)
DN 2 (after gap 2)
https://suttacentral.net/pi/dn2/143-149.482 (including inserted passages)
=
MN 27
DN 2 (after gap 2)
https://suttacentral.net/pi/dn2/143-149 (including inserted passages)
=
MN 76
MN 94
MN 101
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Thanks @LXNDR! That is a very detailed analysis.
I wonder if there is anybody who has Pali as his first language 
I just have one question about the last set (starting with DN2 after the gap) where you mention MN76 - should this not be:
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn76/22.157-25.79
ayya, regarding MN 76 there you’re completely right, my mistake 
i also overlooked another part of the sequence, which comes after the second gap
i now made corrections and additions under the spoiler in the previous post, apologies
or her…
yep i’d love to meet such a marvel
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Thanks!
I have added this to our JSON notation. It seems to me that the last two sets can be written as one, although they are not entirely the same, still similar enough. We only have a notation of the paragraphs that are included and not part of the paragraphs, but your remarks will be added to each of these suttas in the Discuss&Discover section of the Navigation panel.
Basically, you seem to have 3 sets (the 3 last ones), that together make up the first 2 sets.
So now I have:
1.([“mn27#23-#43”, “mn76#22-#28”, “mn94#13-#28”, “mn101#38-#50”, “an10.99#8-#30”])
2.([“mn38#95-#108”, “mn27#23-#39”, “mn76#22-#25”, “mn94#13-#25”, “mn101#38-#47”, “an10.99#8-#30”])
Statement 2 is incorporated into the next two parts (3 &4) so statement 2 is than no longer necessary:
3.[“dn2#46-#57”, “mn38#95-#103”, “mn27#23-#31”, “mn76#22”, “mn94#13-#20”, “mn101#38-#39”, “an10.99#8-#18”]
4.[“dn2#75-#95”, “mn38#104-#108”, “mn27#32-#39”, “mn76#22-#25”, “mn94#21-#25”, “mn101#41-#47”, “an10.99#19-#30”]
And statement 1 also becomes redundant when the next statement is added to that:
5.[“dn2#107-#111”, “mn27#40-#42”, “mn76#26-#28”, “mn94#26-#28”, “mn101#48-#50”]
@Sujato, can you also have look if you agree with this?
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@Vimala, to draw your attention just in case, that the links in this post can be ignored as they’re lacking in accuracy due to my sloppiness and have been subsequently superseded by their correct variants in the post which followed
Yes, I have deleted that old one and replaced it with the new one. You can see it here:
http://staging.suttacentral.net/ll/an10.99
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what we appear to not have is this
MN 38
AN 10.99
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some more parallels
4 kinds of persons in the aspect of torment
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn51/5.91-5.658 (before the gap) = https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn60/23
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn51/9-14.230 (after the gap) = https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn60/24-27.232
Hen simile
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn16/24.433-24.817 = https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn53/9.409-9.792
6 classes of contact
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There are a few more here that belong to the same group. Could you check those also?
“an3.156-162#2”, “an4.198#2”, “dn25#11”, “dn8#15”, “mn12#42”, “mn45#5”, “dn33#165”
This is also vaguely related to sn35.107.
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here’s what i’ve been able to come up with
[details=Summary]4 kinds of persons in the aspect of torment
https://suttacentral.net/pi/dn33/169 (very concise)
A . https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn51/5.91-5.658 (before the gap) = https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn60/23
B. https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn51/9-14.230 (after the gap) = https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn60/24-27.232
https://suttacentral.net/pi/an4.198/2-7.233
Naked ascetics
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn12/42.233-44.583
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn45/5.87-7.578
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn51/9.70-11.580
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn60/24.71-24.216
https://suttacentral.net/pi/an3.156-162/2.34-4.583
https://suttacentral.net/pi/an4.198/2.74-4.584
(a subset)
https://suttacentral.net/pi/dn8/18.141-20
https://suttacentral.net/pi/dn25/13.20-13.1650
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn12/42.233-44.505
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn45/5.106-7.500
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn51/9.96-11.502
https://suttacentral.net/pi/an3.156-162/2.53-4.505
https://suttacentral.net/pi/an4.198/2.93-4.506
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ayya, what i’d like to understand is whether such level of precision as in the case of “naked ascetics” set of parallels is required or whether the paragraph is the smallest unit of refinement and differences within the paragraph can be ignored
also i noticed that the mismatch between the numbers of paragraphs in the URL and those displayed on the page under Textual information (and referenced in your notes) seems to be global across DN
Thanks @LXNDR, this is great! We have all these references from the previous version, but they are often only pointing to the starting point and are not very precise. Hopefully over time we can make these things a little better and your help is greatly appreciated in doing this.
As for your questions, I hear that you come across the same issues that we have come across as well: how precise do you make it and when is something still considered a “full” parallel and when is it “partial”.
In the parallels-file I can only give the actual paragraph references. People who are interested in the parallels will also to be able to work out in how far something is a parallel, we just point them in the right direction. Of course we make it as precise as paragraph-level if we can.
But saying that, what you do by highlighting parts of the text and posting it here is very helpful because this information will also be stored with the individual suttas itself so if somebody is studying a sutta, they will also come across your remarks on it and the highlighted sections.
Yes, you remarked this before. I will put it on our Github issue list for Blake to have a look at.
The actual URL of the paragraph is for instance:
https://suttacentral.net/pi/dn25#11 (and this is the URL I use in the parallels-list)
When you highlight a section and copy the URL from there, it becomes:
https://suttacentral.net/pi/dn25/13
And this seems to happen only in the DN.
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Ud5.5 looks to be the same sutta as AN8.20 (except for the line of verse right at the end of the Udāna text) and a partial parallel of AN8.19 (indeed, the latter two would by my logic be partial parallels of each other, but I don’t know if ‘neighbour suttas’ count in the parallel matching game).
Also are you guys just matching texts from within the Sutta Pitika (and it’s cousins from other schools) or are you also going cross-basket? In the event of the later, as it came up in another thread, Ud5.6 is a partial parallel with pi-tv-kd5#52.
Hi Aminah,
Thanks!
I think you will find that we already have the ones you mention. It is not live yet on the site but it is on Staging (add /ll/ to the url):
http://staging.suttacentral.net/ll/ud5.5
http://staging.suttacentral.net/ll/pi-tv-kd5
For some reason it does not come up for ud5.6 itself and you might find that some are mentioned double … those are few of the glitches we still have to work out.
Oooh, Staging, will make a note, many thanks.
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on the Buddha’s and Universal monarch’s gender
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn115/15-15.164 = https://suttacentral.net/pi/an1.278-286#279
https://suttacentral.net/pi/mn115/15.165-15.316 = https://suttacentral.net/pi/an1.278-286#280
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Arahant’s inabilities
5 items
9 items in which previous 5 are included
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