Nibbida versus Aversion

[Viveka]

@Viveka

Aversion = the negative form of craving (the craving to not have) - Ill will and delusion are present
Nibbida = distaste (etc) for the unwholesome, including weariness for the conditioned - neither ill will nor delusion are present.

I believe Vedana is tied to craving/aversion - ( pleasant, unpleasant or neutral) - that stimulates ‘movement’ as a reaction/response.

My understanding is that Nibbida is about seeing things clearly, not related to having the like/don’t like response, but recognising the ‘unwholesome’ for what it is, and, from a point of wisdom, not associating with it, seeing cause and effect clearly. So from this perspective it evokes disgust, distaste etc

Here is a response from Mat that may be helpful

Vedana. What is pleasure in Buddhism? Having some doubts with the teachings on vedana after re-reading Plato

Here’s the EBT concerned. Whatever is experienced physically or mentally as pleasant & gratifying is pleasant feeling. Whatever is experienced physically or mentally as painful & hurting is painful feeling. Whatever is experienced physically or mentally as neither gratifying nor hurting is neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling." “In what way is pleasant feeling pleasant, lady, and in what way painful?” “Pleasant feeling is pleasant in remaining, & painful in changing, friend Visakha. Painful …

Also the linked chart may be useful

@Fred

Many have reacted with relief upon seeing and working with this chart by Andrew Olendzki:
http://nebula.wsimg.com/f2bbf08fe842b7085660cc01c8fd6138?AccessKeyId=EE605ED40426C654A8C4&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

Some useful stuff here as well

@Khemarato.bhikkhu

They (arahants) just don’t “pick up” (to borrow an Ajahn Chah phrase) any thoughts connected with the unwholesome that might happen to arise in their mind, as the Buddha explained in the two kinds of thinking sutta . Whatever painful or pleasant thoughts might arise, they don’t give rise to aversion or grasping… they don’t enter the “heart” or “proliferate.” That shaking, wobbling, tremoring which the ordinary mind does when confronted with something frightening, exciting, etc: that kind of mental reaction doesn’t happen anymore. Their mind is “unshakeable.”

Metta, and happy exploring