Is Right View an intellectual view or a direct knowledge? And does this relate to the distinction between mundane and supra-mundane Right View in the EBT?
When we begin to follow the eight fold path ,the first step is - Right view -that is to have a perfect intellectual understanding of the ’ Dhamma ’ the law of nature and should be able to see everything through the lens of four noble truths. It is like knowing the destination along with the road to travel and reach there.Second Right view comes after “samma samadhi” to have a clear insight or gaining of the experiential wisdom of impermanence, nonself and suffering through the practice of vipassana.we have two right views one is mundane in the beginning and supramundane at the end.
Right view develops progressively, and there are two manifestations of supramundane right view, one as a consolidation of what is known and forming a stable foundation for directing the other path factors. Every practitioner has a certain amount of right view that they are working from as a basis. The other is in its dynamic form as the awakening factor of investigation where right view evolves through examining situations from the perspective of dhamma. It is easy to be carried along by the current of samsara and conform to conventional (wrong) view; harder and more isolated is to strike out independently guided by dhamma principles and develop right view, rewarded not by public approbation but by insight knowledge. Knowledge alone is mundane, to be supramundane right view must include insight:
"And what is the right view that is noble, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The discernment, the faculty of discernment, the strength of discernment, analysis of qualities as a factor for awakening, the path factor of right view in one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is without effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right view that is noble, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.”—-MN 117
Is noble Right View equivalent to panna?
MN117 defines right view as:
And what is right view?
Right view is twofold, I say.
There is right view that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment. And there is right view that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path. And what is right view that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment?
‘There is meaning in giving, sacrifice, and offerings. There are fruits and results of good and bad deeds. There is an afterlife. There are duties to mother and father. There are beings reborn spontaneously. And there are ascetics and brahmins who are well attained and practiced, and who describe the afterlife after realizing it with their own insight.’
This is right view that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment.
And what is right view that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path?
It’s the wisdom—the faculty of wisdom, the power of wisdom, the awakening factor of investigation of principles, and right view as a factor of the path—in one of noble mind and undefiled mind, who possesses the noble path and develops the noble path.
This is called right view that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path.
They make an effort to give up wrong view and embrace right view: that’s their right effort. Mindfully they give up wrong view and take up right view: that’s their right mindfulness.
So these three things keep running and circling around right view, namely: right view, right effort, and right mindfulness.
In this context, right view comes first. And how does right view come first? When you understand wrong thought as wrong thought and right thought as right thought, that’s your right view.
In simpler terms and as I understand, right view is about keeping in mind whenever facing our day to day life with its challenges and opportunities the four noble truths and its respective ennobling tasks:
- the truth of suffering and the task of fully understanding it,
- the truth of the cause of suffering and the task of abandoning its causes,
- the truth of ending of suffering and the task of attaining/verifying it for ourselves
- the truth of the path to the end of suffering and the task of developping/ cultivating it ourselves
There does seem to be a progression, it begins with intellectual understanding and then with careful observation becomes direct knowing.
This occurs to me now and instead of opening another thread want to continue on this one
There are gazillions of views which direct 2 ways to go from here, nothing right or wrong, Nobile disciple chooses to exit. Let’s redefine what view is Brahmajālasutta DN1 describes prime net, a net is a view, there are gazillions of views, personal views, shared views social views and what not
Everyone is so much stuck in their views, they are not ready to see how things really are not just ordinary people, not just buddhist, not just good teachers everyone, whithout this view we get confused on what is right and wrong and its this views which give us sense of self
• a net is like a view it’s based on our bhav what we filter gets in everything else doesn’t fit in
• we have subtle views loose nets and hardened views like a flower print in iron casting
• a window is like a view, based on your hinderances you see things with different colors
• there is no right or wrong view world is a endless continuum goes on and on, buddha’s have a specific view one what fits in their view takes you out of samsara
• all other views keep you going on and on.
If your net (the iron casting aligns with buddha’s net) you can realize it and oh what bliss, its hard to explain