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Suttas about kamma and rebirth


#1

Hi, I am not sure, but I think there was an old post with a list of suttas about rebirth and kamma but I cant find it…I am not sure if it was here on suttacentral.
Does someone have a post with a list of suttas about rebirth and kamma?
All the best to you


#2

Greetings Andre,

Are you aware of our search function on the forum? In case you’re not, just type in your search words under the Q on the top right hand menu.

For Kamma and Rebirth you get the following long list of results. I hope what you are looking for is in there somewhere… if not it makes for interesting reading :smiley:

https://discourse.suttacentral.net/search?q=rebirth%20and%20kamma


#3

Thanks for your help, I already looked through the list and didn’t find it.
Maybe it really isn’t here on suttacentral…


#4

Maybe ajahn @brahmali or ajahn @sujato have the list.
:anjal:


#5

Sorry, I don’t have anything.


#6

The website accesstoinsight has a listing of Suttas by topic. Perhaps that would be useful?

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-subject.html#rebirth


#7

Thanks for your reply bhante. :anjal:
I can recall you and ajahn @brahmali highlighted and quoted teachings from a couple of suttas during that workshop.
I vaguely remember the sutta about not everything being because of kamma, the other about the cartloads of wood, and maybe another about the eightfold path being kamma that leads to the end of kamma…
Maybe anyone in BSWA has a record of that?


#8

I had a closer look at the list I posted above, and indeed I think what you are looking for is there.

It is in the resources section for the Kamma and Rebirth course run by Ajahns Sujato and Brahmali which has it’s own discussion category here

https://discourse.suttacentral.net/c/courses/karma-rebirth

https://wiswo.org/early-buddhism-2015/

A list of suttas begins on page 5 of this document

Here is a copy to download

Karma&Rebirth_BSWA.pdf (253.1 KB)


#9

Thanks for every post so far, @Viveka it is not what I meant but I think its even better. :slight_smile:


#11

If ‘rebirth’ refers to this term ‘samsara’, then, it seems no sutta uses the term under the teachings of the Buddha. I could be wrong? If correct, then, it seems the Buddha did not particularly teach about samsara.

The term ‘kamma’ is found in the suttas, e.g. SN 22.82, SN 35.145, SN 12.37 (cf. Choong Mun-keat, The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism, pp. 66-7, 86-7, 199-200). The idea of rebirth is linked to kamma; however, the term samsara is not used in the suttas.


#12

This not true. The term samsara and related terms (e.g. saṃsārena, saṃsaritaṃ etc ) is indeed found in the suttas.


#13

Indeed: SuttaCentral


#14

I mean not found in the suttas, SN 22.82, SN 35.145, SN 12.37.


#15

Thanks for the information.

The term is found in the SN suttas (but not in SN ii 263 mentioned in the dictionary), particularly SN 22.99 (SN iii 149) = SA 266. This text just mentions the term.

Having read the SN suttas, I may conclude that the Buddha did not particularly teach about samsara. He just adapted the local idea (cf. SN 22.99-100 = SA 266-267).

But he did teach about kamma (see the mentioned SN suttas: SN 22.82, SN 35.145, SN 12.37; cf. Choong Mun-keat, The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism , pp. 66-7, note 136, 86-7, 199-200).


#16

What about SN15? SuttaCentral


#17

Interesting opinion you have, despite the fact the term is found across all main collections and not referred as an alien concept but as a way of describing the wandering through rebirths.
An interesting article on the topic is:
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/samsara.html
:anjal:


#18

SN 15.1, SN 15.9-10 also just mention the term, indicating the Buddha in the texts just adapted the local idea of samsara.