A SuttaCentral creativity multiplier!

So I had this idea. It’s pretty simple one to implement, but I think, maybe could be really nice.

I got the idea indirectly from a talk at the Digital Buddhism conference by Christian Wittern. Just an amazing man! He’s built this system that allows user input for a taxonomy for texts. That’s great, but (a) it’s hard and (b) its, well, a taxonomy :yawning_face:

But the thing that he said that I cottoned on to was the idea that it was not about creating a systematic and perfect taxonomical system. It was about giving people a chance to work on something they are interested in.

So that really made me see it in a different light. Normally in Buddhist texts we’re obsessed with being systematic, with pinning everything down in the same way every where. And sometimes that’s but not everything has to be like that.

Then I thought, what could we do that would encourage people to add their own work in a way that was creative and uplifting, without being too determined by what we do on our side?

And I thought, well, what about images? There’s a long history of books with illustrations. Most web pages have some kind of image. Could we give users a way to upload images at specific points in suttas?

They could be anything. that’s the beauty of an image!

  • An illustration of a scene
  • a simple decorative element
  • calligraphy
  • a diagram or infographic
  • let your imagination soar!

We’d need to set up the system on our back end, but that would be pretty simple.

Then there would have to be a vetting process with some standards. We want good quality work! Some someone, or a team of someones, would have to vet images before uploading, and we’d have to create some metadata with each image.

Obviously you’d be able to toggle them off if you just wanted text. I think for looking things up and so on just text is good, but if you’re settling down for a nice long read, a few images would make it nice! Wouldn’t it be great to read through the Mahaparinibbanasutta and see nice drawings of the Buddha and Ananda in all those places?

And so the idea would be to spark some creativity in our community, to get people creating and making, and finding ways to make the suttas more beautiful.

What do you think?

14 Likes

Are we allowed to add AI generated images? :slight_smile:

Sorry … I’ll show myself out …

5 Likes

Just an amazing man! He’s built this system that allows user input for a taxonomy for texts. That’s great, but (a) it’s hard and (b) its, well, a taxonomy :yawning_face:
But the thing that he said that I cottoned on to was the idea that it was not about creating a systematic and perfect taxonomical system. It was about giving people a chance to work on something they are interested in.

Sounds cool. I don’t think user created taxonomies are boring [1]. Is it by any chance called “The Celestial Emporium Of Benevolent Knowledge?”
https://www.entish.org/essays/Wilkins.html

What is the name of the system - is it software?

[1] why

3 Likes

I love taxonomies! It might be how my mind works.

I’ve had so many different ideas for tagging sutta and vinaya.
I never got around to making the easiness filter thingo.

Your idea sounds good too!
We have lots of sutta illustrations in the old Dhamma Doodles and Vinaya Doodles threads

4 Likes

I can’t say I really enjoy stuffed animals…

6 Likes

I would love for some type of taxonomic organisation added to the Suttas on sutta central to allow easy lookup of suttas by topic. Obviously the search tool is also useful for this, but only if you can guess the exact phrase or word your looking for.

Not sure if SEO is any sort of priority but it would be nice if when someone googled “what did the Buddha have to say about X?”, the actual words of the Buddha (or close approximation) were among the top results, and I think taxonomies would help achieve this.

4 Likes

Okay well I seem to have triggered some taxonomy fans! Ok if you insist, open another thread and we can talk about it.

1 Like

Still a great idea! I came across this ancient mural (500 AD, Kizil caves, Xinjiang) and it depicts SN35.241, the simile of the log. It shows that this sutta was probably quite popular in ancient times. It would be nice if these kind of images would be part of the ‘sutta experience’ on Suttacentral.

11 Likes

If someone wanted an easy batch of images associated with suttas, you could mine them from the daily sutta email service. There are images for each of the suttas (over 700 at this point). They are all (except maybe one or two) in the public domain. You can see them here. I’d estimate that a good 70% have some connection with the text.

5 Likes

Cool, may I ask, what’s the licensing situation with them?

Most came from pixabay.com. Their license is not pure cc0 because you aren’t allowed to redistribute them on a “standalone basis.” So basically you can’t mine the site and create your own photo sharing site. But other than that they are cc0.

You can tell which ones those are because they have a word followed by a number in the file name. For example this one from a few days ago: cow-7729284_1280.jpg. If you go to Pixabay and search for 7729284 It takes you to the original image.

The rest come from unsplash.com They have a similar license. They are easier to recognize through their file names because it’s a photographer’s name, an alphaneumeric code, and then unsplash. For example dmitrii-sumar-KsC3Vn2vJW4-unsplash.jpg

In maybe 10-20% of the images I have done some kind of color/lighting modification to make them a bit more eyecatching. And rarely I will do some touch ups to remove powerlines, etc. I may also re-construct space on the sides to force them into a 9x16 ratio. One image from a few days ago I used an AI tool to add more forest background on the sides. Totally not worth the trouble. Other than that I manually reconstruct space on the sides.

And there is one from months ago that I created using one of those AI image generators. I just deleted it. It was kind of crappy any way.

I have intentionally avoided any known AI images. Pixabay is supposed to be blocking them for me. Although Pixabay is mostly photos, even before the whole AI thing happened there were some “photo illustrations” that I used. It should be fairly obvious what those are.

I’m happy for any of the images to be re-used as they are.

I could download the image folder from the wordpress site and send it to someone. It would also include downscaled versions that wordpress/imagick created, the next smaller size being 768x432px. Or what might be easier is to just use the page I linked to above and right click to open image in new tab. It appears to load my original 900x506px image. That’s what you would need to use any way to link the images up with specific suttas.

It’s not always easy to find a meaningful image for a sutta in which case I usually just post a Buddha statue.

2 Likes

Hi, I’m interested in this project! :slight_smile:
Perhaps I can work on some artworks and send them to you for evaluation? I think that watercolour art would be fitting for this website, it has a relaxed and rational feel!
Kind regards,
RadiantMetta

1 Like

You had me at taxonomies! :heart_eyes::heart_eyes::heart_eyes:

2 Likes