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#347

Well, actually, double Ven. Brahmali seems to me a wonderful thing rather than a problem! :wink: :smiley:

Does this show only for the Saṅghādisesa rules for you as it does for me?


#348

:smiley: yes.


#349

Sutta MN 117 The Great Forty—Bhikkhu Sujato

At SC 5.2, The item ⑤ is not translated as shown below with a translated text of “⑤There’s no this world.”.

Also at SC 7.2, The item ⑤ is not translated as shown below with a translated text of “⑤There is this world.”.

SC 5.2‘There’s no meaning in①giving, ②sacrifice, or ③offerings. ④There’s no fruit or result of good and bad deeds. ⑤There’s no this world. ⑥There’s no afterlife. There are no duties to ⑦mother and ⑧father. ⑨No beings are reborn spontaneously. ⑩And there’s no ascetic or brahmin who is well attained and practiced, and who describes the afterlife after realizing it with their own insight.’
‘①Natthi dinnaṃ, ②natthi yiṭṭhaṃ, ③natthi hutaṃ, ④natthi sukatadukkaṭānaṃ kammānaṃ phalaṃ vipāko, ⑤natthi ayaṃ loko, ⑥natthi paro loko, ⑦natthi mātā, ⑧natthi pitā, ⑨natthi sattā opapātikā, ⑩natthi loke samaṇabrāhmaṇā sammaggatā sammāpaṭipannā ye imañca lokaṃ parañca lokaṃ sayaṃ abhiññā sacchikatvā pavedentī’ti—

SC 7.2‘There is meaning in ①giving, ②sacrifice, and ③offerings. ④There are fruits and results of good and bad deeds. ⑤There is this world. ⑥There is an afterlife. There are duties to ⑦mother and ⑧father. ⑨There are beings reborn spontaneously. ⑩And there are ascetics and brahmins who are well attained and practiced, and who describe the afterlife after realizing it with their own insight.’
‘①Atthi dinnaṃ, ②atthi yiṭṭhaṃ, ③ atthi hutaṃ, ④atthi sukatadukkaṭānaṃ kammānaṃ phalaṃ vipāko, ⑤atthi ayaṃ loko, ⑥atthi paro loko, ⑦atthi mātā, ⑧atthi pitā, ⑨atthi sattā opapātikā, ⑩atthi loke samaṇabrāhmaṇā sammaggatā sammāpaṭipannā ye imañca lokaṃ parañca lokaṃ sayaṃ abhiññā sacchikatvā pavedentī’ti—


#350

Thanks for this!

I don’t think this is so much a bug as perhaps a translation error: Please report any errors or typos!

That said, my hunch is that Bhante may have felt it gives a more meaningful rendition to take “natthi ayaṃ loko, natthi paro loko” together and translate it the whole point as “There’s no afterlife”. Of course, it is just a guess and Bhante @sujato himself would have to clarify things.


#351

This ⑤natthi ayaṃ loko, ⑥natthi paro loko, and ⑨natthi sattā opapātikā; ⑤atthi ayaṃ loko, ⑥atthi paro loko, and ⑨atthi sattā opapātikā is about the four mode of birth of any beings. The birth of egg born, womb born and moisture born is concern with “⑤natthi ayaṃ loko, ⑥natthi paro loko; ⑤atthi ayaṃ loko, ⑥atthi paro loko” [only for animal and human realms] and the spontaneous born is concern with “⑨natthi sattā opapātikā; ⑨atthi sattā opapātikā” [for all other realms except animal and human realms].

We (those egg born, womb born and moisture born) are born in this world (ayaṃ loko) and after death if we are to be in the same existence (bhava) and there is no suitable egg, womb or moisture to be born, we (that is the gandhabba) will be placed in the paraloko (Netherworld) waiting for the suitable egg, womb or moiture for birth to take place. This is an important concept and if we have wrong view about it, there will be no chance of attaining the Sotapatti.


#352

I’ve got the readers badge even though I just scrolled through a 100 messages. It’s not really a bug, but I felt like cheating.


#353


double of the title ‘Shorter Discourse on simile of heart wood’ ?


#354

Indeed. The phrase “there is no this world” doesn’t really make sense by itself. The phrase as a whole is talking about whether there is anything beyond this world; “this” world and “the other” world is a pair that stems back into the brahmanical texts.

This is a bug with updating the site. Hopefully it will correct itself soon!


#355

Hello @Linda, happy new year, hope your 2019 is packed full of joy, contentment and peace.

Just following up on the above, are you still getting a black page when using Safari?


#356

Hi @Aminah

Just following up on the above, are you still getting a black page when using Safari?

I was actually going to post something awhile ago saying SC was now opening, but before I had a chance, it suddenly stopped again and turned blank… hmmm, a reminder about impermanence, emptiness…? :thinking:

So I continued using the legacy version, but just checked and it’s working right now! Was something updated? Thanks for following up!

Sending all good wishes for happiness, peace and fruitful practice this ‘new’ year. Always makes me smile to see your posts::pray:


#357

Much thanks for getting back!

You mean we can call it a feature? :grin:

Not as far as I know.

Ditto! :anjal:


#358

[quote=“Aminah, post:357, topic:8605”]
You mean we can call it a feature? :grin:

:joy::wink:


#359

Linda, can you try our updated site?


#360

Hi Ven @sujato
just happened to see your reply (but please tag me next time as I don’t open all the discussions on Discouse, so may miss comments to me otherwise)

Anyway, thanks for asking but I’m not clear what you want me to try. As I said to @Aminah when I click on suttacentral.net it’s now opening (instead of being blank)–yey! But when I click on the link in your reply above, it take me to staging.suttacentral.net but the page is blank. Does this help?


#361

Yes, the new site is deployed to staging, so this is what we need to test.

When you open it up on staging, can you see any errors in the console?

(Sorry, I can’t recall your level of geekitude, so apologies for over/under-explaining! To see the console, right click on the page, choose “inspect” or something similar, then select “console”. If there’s a bunch of errors, export them or take a screenshot.)


#362

@sujato
Level of geekitude–below 0, as low as possible, so good thing you explained. Here’s a screenshot, is this the info you wanted?


#363

That is perfect, you win your geek badge for today!

I suspect the problem is the last little thingy that says “syntax error”. I don’t see that error in Firefox or Chrome. I’ll pass it to our developers.


#364

Oh, can I ask what version of Safari you are using? And on what platform (ipad, mac, etc.)?


#365

@sujato
I’m using a Mac desktop with Safari 10.1.2. I need to update my OS before I can update Safari further. I’m currently using Apple OS Yosemite 10.10.5 but planning to update soon. Just need to get some help with it (guess you can now take away my ‘geek badge for today’ :frowning:) Can’t remember the version I’m going to update to (I think it’s 'High Sierra 10.12) but it’s not the latest one as there have been lots of problems with that apparently. Anyway, then I’ll update Safari.


#366

The link in “Read this sutta” of saying “The sage has arrived at truth …” is broken link.

EDIT- this too “The unfaltering, the unshakable, that which is beyond compare: I shall go there for sure, I have no doubt of that.” has broken link.
the ending should be “mills” rather than “sujato”